Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Thing is, as much as you might not like it, I am correct.

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Ha ha oh you~

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

I'm not really sure why it matters why a player may need some extra tools or an extra hand to help them learn the game. I mean, first off the "why" doesn't really impact you and, secondly, the whole point is just that they learn, right? I mean, that's what everyone has their panties in a knot over, isn't it? That the stupid, bad, terrible, awful bads and randoms just need to "get good." Surely it doesn't matter how they "get good" as long as they do. Unless, of course, that's not what the issue is.

Anyway, some people have mentioned that leechers and lazy players will still exist even with better teaching tools in game. Of course they will. You can lead a horse to water and all that. I mean, we have players in FF14 who literally buy their Ultimate clears. I would imagine most of them probably know how to play the game at least somewhat well but they're not good enough (or are just too lazy) to actually do the fight themselves properly so they buy the clear. That seems pretty lazy and leechlike to me and it's got nothing to do with running daily roulettes.

The point of teaching tools is to allow more players to actually grasp what the game is asking of them in a way that may be more comfortable to them than deciphering tool tips or reading a discord. It puts the tools right in front of their face and in their hands. It also means that, frankly, later on if they refuse to play properly they don't have anyone to blame (which, again, is supposed to be part of the issue raised in this thread, right?)



Got it in one. I play in NA, have played for years, and do pretty much everything via DF. Are there truly terrible players? Of course, but it's extremely extremely rare to run into one. Most of the players are perfectly capable of playing their jobs and roles well enough to get through any of the casual content in the game without any real issue. They may not be amazing (and I know I'm not amazing) but they are no where near the complete disaster that some people in this thread seem to think are running rampant and destroying the game.

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You're correct it honestly doesn't matter if people require more "tools" to get better as long as the information is given to them in a convenient manner.

Mostly completely unrelated to your post it is also important that the "tools" are not literal cheats. ACT especially with cacbot added on has shifted so much from just being a data collector to just being a program that actually plays the game for you.
Any further where we get to the point of it being able to highlight non-telegraphed AoE's like in that one twitter post It might be time just to ban the entire application so I don't have to deal with "friends" wiping my runs because their act stopped working.

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

And this is why you are confused why people on the NN network do not approve or like you. You have to understand not everyone plays like you. I understand not everyone plays like me. I have played WoW since the beginning, but never got to level 60 until my favorite class was added to the game many years later. I would keep on deleting and remaking characters for years.

People play this game at their own speed even the developers have acknowledged this. This is why the developers make ARR's MSQ last two dungeons the scenes unskippable so new players would not get booted for wanting to watch the story unfold.

If you keep thinking everyone who does not think like you is a troll or not real, you will remain obvious as you are. Sometimes you have to understand sometimes its not other people who are the problem, but rather you. If you have the entire Novice Network against you.... you most likely are the problem and need to take time to look at yourself in the mirror to reflect.

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You're naive if you think the NN is some utopia where sprouts can always ask legit questions and get appropriate responses. There are good mentors and interactions between them and sprouts out there, but the majority of the time the NN is just a glorified world chat where morons with Burger King crowns think they are God's gift to the playerbase shitpost. Not to mention in this day and age where any modicum of advice is taken as a personal attack and people look at it as a chance to virtue signal to defend the player being 'attacked.' This is coming from a former mentor who has gotten the "yOu DoN't PaY My SuB" after merely suggesting that a DPS use their AoE on large wall to wall pulls.

As for others who say this sort of toxic casualism doesn't exist, you're trolling or you're extremely ignorant.

Playing since months and never experienced something like that. Sorry to disagree with you but FFXIV isn't a hard game by any means, you can solo the entire base game and all the expansions with just using the minimum effort. Raids,dungeons and trails on normal/hard are so easy to do ; for example take a look at the level 50/60/70 raids, some bosses can't even get to phase 2 because how quick they die.

Novice Network was one of the best experiences so far the channel feels so alive and people very helpful much more than any FC.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Playing since months and never experienced something like that. Sorry to disagree with you but FFXIV isn't a hard game by any means, you can solo the entire base game and all the expansions with just using the minimum effort. Raids,dungeons and trails on normal/hard are so easy to do ; for example take a look at the level 50/60/70 raids, some bosses can't even get to phase 2 because how quick they die.

Novice Network was one of the best experiences so far the channel feels so alive and people very helpful much more than any FC.

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Yeah XIV is really easy, but while difficulty is an issue (namely, it being too easy), the topic is bringing attention to people who do things that are clearly very detrimental to a run and people who defend them or enable their abuse towards those who called them out. Over 8.5k hours this expac here and I've seen it way too much.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

Over 8.5k hours this expac here and

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Wait... you've logged over 354 days worth of playtime during this expac???

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Wait... you've logged over 354 days worth of playtime during this expac???

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Yes I did.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Wait... you've logged over 354 days worth of playtime during this expac???

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Dude is counting leaving his character logged on 24/7 AFK as playtime lol

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Originally Posted by hobostew

Dude is counting leaving his character logged on 24/7 AFK as playtime lol

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I'm glad you've been here next to me the whole time to see what I'm up to when I'm logged in game.

Toxicity,laziness and trolling exists on both sides of the spectrum. Does not matter if your Hardcore or casual both types of players are capable and guilty. Tutorials also dont do as much good as they could do when you got vets engaging the very bad habbits you are trying to prevent..