Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

Maybe it's a modern japanese thing. Tsukuyomi, the japanese god of the moon, is female in FFXIV, and has rabbit ears because the moon is associated with rabbits in Japan.

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Which is odd because tsukuyomi in real mythology is male @@

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

Maybe it's a modern japanese thing. Tsukuyomi, the japanese god of the moon, is female in FFXIV, and has rabbit ears because the moon is associated with rabbits in Japan.

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Funny how he would use bugs bunny for the “tease”, then...

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Originally Posted by Roda

Which is odd because tsukuyomi in real mythology is male @@

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Yes it's really odd, I don't really like when gods change gender in some video games, like Shiva in FF

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

That was only because the original FFXIV effectively ported the character choices from XI and gave them updated graphics; and we all know how all the decisions made in 1.0's launch went over.

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People were not upset over the lack of those races having multiple genders.
Many of the 1.0 ideas were fine, so saying “all the decisions” is questionable.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

K if you can give me an adequate reason(decent response that a decent amount of people can get behind so 15 likes) to not include male viera i will refrain from posting anything else within this thread or future male viera threads. FYI lore same as male miqo'te more specifically keepers of the moon and they are playable, personal aesthetic choices don't count and saying it would be too much work also don't count as HW gave 3 jobs and new race while ShB only giving 2 jobs with a race (atm) oh and nin was 2.4 and blu was 4.5 so yea can't use limited job as a reason either gl i look forward to seeing a reply.

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Ignoring all your bogus arbitrary limitations, every single person that played as the theoretical new race would prove you wrong. You'd have to have zero players pick such a race to play as in order to even try to prove your point.

You're right in that player's personal aesthetic preferences don't matter, but do you know who's does? The director of the game's, who has consistently shown to be against the idea of male viera.

I mean, you have people in this thread stomping their feet and asking for yoshida to resign from his position if he doesn't give them what they personally want. Especially ironic given that since no official male viera has ever existed, they're basing their expectations of male viera on their own imaginary version of what they might look like which could be drastically different from what they actually end up looking like if they happen.

These are the same people who will be just as much up in arms if viera isn't what they personally want or expect. They say they want male viera, but they each want specific versions of male viera and will be just as upset if it's not their version than if they got something that isn't even viera.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Super rich considering that male Miqo'te are by far the most popular male race in any MMO I've ever played.

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I'm fairly certain female miqote are by far the most popular, and then male hyur, then female hyur, and then male miqote. At least looking at a recent okay census (will be biased against side characters that are just for RP and not content), an iffy census, and very old SE cenus which doesn't reveal what race gender break down just race popularity (in 2014 hyur was equal to miqote), suppose at the bottom of the barrel of references is also my anecdotal experience that miqote females are everywhere.. everywhere lol.

All of which I think just follows a general trend were there are large groupings of fairly normal pretty races and then a large collection when total'd (if given the possibility) sitting on weirder races (the "other" races when added together equate to almost half the population, showing the desire for other is high but the unity of what the best "other is".. is very low lol).

https://i.imgur.com/ngn3WD8.png

It's pretty hilarious to me that people are still working under the impression that we're getting two "separate but equal" genderlocked races. The existing 1.0 races were given the opposite gender with ARR, they've gone to lengths to remove genderlocks on clothing items, and to top it all off, the top contender for the male only race being ronso makes LESS sense than male viera being playable.

Gtfoh with all this stretching to justify anything but bunnyboys.

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Originally Posted by Bathroombard

It's pretty hilarious to me that people are still working under the impression that we're getting two "separate but equal" genderlocked races. The existing 1.0 races were given the opposite gender with ARR, they've gone to lengths to remove genderlocks on clothing items, and to top it all off, the top contender for the male only race being ronso makes LESS sense than male viera being playable.

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There is also a quote from Yoshida after they unlocked miqote/roe that said he might gender lock Viera. So.... ... While I'm not certain on the chance I think to be certain there is no chance they wouldn't do it again, when they said they might.. I think that's too certain :p. I think it's less likely, some people think it's more, but having seen Yoshida deliver on old thoughts with such high accuracy before (blue mage, lol) - I believe he could do it.

Also be careful about swearing (may risk getting GM ire).

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Originally Posted by Bathroombard

It's pretty hilarious to me that people are still working under the impression that we're getting two "separate but equal" genderlocked races. The existing 1.0 races were given the opposite gender with ARR, they've gone to lengths to remove genderlocks on clothing items, and to top it all off, the top contender for the male only race being ronso makes LESS sense than male viera being playable.

Gtfoh with all this stretching to justify anything but bunnyboys.

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I mean it's not really a stretch when the director of the game (you know, the guy who makes the final decisions on what makes it into this game) straight up said he'd potentially do a male only race counterpart specifically counter to viera and it was after they had already decided on pretty much finished development of fixing the gender locks of 1.0.

Combined with every other factor such as a lack of actually announcing them and lore tailored to explain their overall lack of a presence it's absolutely not a stretch in the slightest, but a genuine possibility.

But you can ignore all the evidence to your heart's content. I pray you will eat crow gracefully if you turn out to be wrong (but I somehow doubt it.)

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

Ignoring all your bogus arbitrary limitations, every single person that played as the theoretical new race would prove you wrong. You'd have to have zero players pick such a race to play as in order to even try to prove your point.

You're right in that player's personal aesthetic preferences don't matter, but do you know who's does? The director of the game's, who has consistently shown to be against the idea of male viera.

I mean, you have people in this thread stomping their feet and asking for yoshida to resign from his position if he doesn't give them what they personally want. Especially ironic given that since no official male viera has ever existed, they're basing their expectations of male viera on their own imaginary version of what they might look like which could be drastically different from what they actually end up looking like if they happen.

These are the same people who will be just as much up in arms if viera isn't what they personally want or expect. They say they want male viera, but they each want specific versions of male viera and will be just as upset if it's not their version than if they got something that isn't even viera.

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The person i quoted and set that 'challenge' to was in favor of gender locking viera without giving a reason why they think that after being called out by people they went on to say they are sick of criers who just complain whenever they don't get what they want so i then called them out specifically why they think male viera should not be added basically why they were in favor of gender locking them.
The bogus restrictions are the common defense i have seen in every thread about this and guess what they are bad reasons as
1. Male mi'qotes are equally as rare and are fully playable so lore is moot
2. Yes personal preference should have no bearing on reasoning to me this should include the Producer himself i will never ask for his job if he lets his personal taste completely dictate sound reasoning i will however have absolutely no sympathy for him if he gets hounded at every interview about it
3. If they try to defend the devs saying its too much work HW gave more that what ShB is giving currently this could change at Tokyo not a future reader afterall, HW is also the best comparison as was last time gave a new race.

Those that wanted to play female viera will play female viera those that wanted to play male viera will play as them if male viera is forcibly locked out some may go as female viera but a lot of those that wanted to play male won't. I cannot speak for other posters but if male viera is different to what i may want i will still play like i did au ra also i would be content that they were added period the main issue i have is gender locking itself and i personally would find it a very bad direction for ffxiv to take.
Also Yoshi P specifically hated 'cute' male viera not male viera in general