Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

:confused: Whatever happen to the days of figuring things out and not needing hand holding in every part of the game.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

:confused: Whatever happen to the days of figuring things out and not needing hand holding in every part of the game.

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When the devs include hard dps checks and don't give the player base the proper tools for figuring it out, or really any kind of feedback system. ACT was born out of necessity in 14.

The days of figuring things out for yourself resulted in me doing stuff like trying to keep medica 2 applied at all times during trash pulls, stacking medica 2 on top of regen for boss fights, and running around with darkside up but no Grit back in Stormblood. Fortunately people were kind enough to correct my mistakes, point me towards some guides on how to heal and tank, and give me advice. Even if the advice was blunt at times, I took it in stride and thanked them anyways, because they didn't have to give me any pointers at all.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Greetings, fellow players. To get to the point, Final Fantasy XIV has a terrible culture of enabling. Enabling what? A lot of things. Bad habits, such as kicking people from novice network for trying to correct poor play. Creepy habits, such as the various illicit PFs and what happens there in. Enabling poor play and coddling players is probably the most visible. Such as for example a mentor got dogpiled on in Siren's NN for trying to correct a player whom had not done their job quest, because they "didn't feel like doing them". Honestly this probably the most toxic aspect of this game and its community. What can we do about it? It seems to infect almost every corner of this game.

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You want to know the worst part about an easy dungeon or raid? When we have someone like yourself who makes an easy raid into one that everyone hates because you worship at the alter of the mechanics. In fact, in many raids there is always one person who goes the entire raid making fun of that type of person even if thankfully they are not in there by mocking the worshippers of the 'mechanics'

Cause we all know the mechanics saved your soul and do you accept the mechanics as your personal lord and savior?

This is not FFXI in fact Tanka and Hawaiian shirt guy were fired or forced to retire after ruining the original FFXIV. This game is played by casuals and geared towards casuals. You're the type of person who comes into a Jazz Club and demands they play country or rock.

People in this game take their time and experience the story. I was once accused by one of you people of buying my account after mentioning I have been playing since 2013 but haven't beaten Stormblood yet after having a bunch of level 80s. That's because I am taking my time and enjoying the sights. I beat ARR for the first time last year and had four level 80s before I beat Heavensward.

Did you know you can't do all class jobs unless you either a) unlocked that specific expansions progress within the MSQ b) Paid to raise your job level to the max.

Have you considered you might have party members who are still in the MSQ ARR storyline and can't unlock new abilities past 50? Same with the rest of the expansions. Once you get to Stormblood even if your max level or level 70 you still can't unlock new job quests unless you beaten certain parts of the stormblood MSQ.

The only toxic person here seems to be you.

Have you considered games geared towards you people? I know those games are free2play and near dead but you got Everquest. FFXI is still there you can get into four man parties to battle rats and bats and die and delevel. That might seem more your peoples speed.

You people are the reason why this thread exists.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ry.-Let-s-vent.

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

You want to know the worst part about an easy dungeon or raid? When we have someone like yourself who makes an easy raid into one that everyone hates because you worship at the alter of the mechanics. In fact, in many raids there is always one person who goes the entire raid making fun of that type of person even if thankfully they are not in there by mocking the worshippers of the 'mechanics'

Cause we all know the mechanics saved your soul and do you accept the mechanics as your personal lord and savior?

This is not FFXI in fact Tanka and Hawaiian shirt guy were fired or forced to retire after ruining the original FFXIV. This game is played by casuals and geared towards casuals. You're the type of person who comes into a Jazz Club and demands they play country or rock.

People in this game take their time and experience the story. I was once accused by one of you people of buying my account after mentioning I have been playing since 2013 but haven't beaten Stormblood yet after having a bunch of level 80s. That's because I am taking my time and enjoying the sights. I beat ARR for the first time last year and had four level 80s before I beat Heavensward.

Did you know you can't do all class jobs unless you either a) unlocked that specific expansions progress within the MSQ b) Paid to raise your job level to the max.

Have you considered you might have party members who are still in the MSQ ARR storyline and can't unlock new abilities past 50? Same with the rest of the expansions. Once you get to Stormblood even if your max level or level 70 you still can't unlock new job quests unless you beaten certain parts of the stormblood MSQ.

The only toxic person here seems to be you.

Have you considered games geared towards you people? I know those games are free2play and near dead but you got Everquest. FFXI is still there you can get into four man parties to battle rats and bats and die and delevel. That might seem more your peoples speed.

You people are the reason why this thread exists.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ry.-Let-s-vent.

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Buddy, you got me wrong. I make a career out of disrespecting mechanics, not "worshipping" them. That's weird. Also maybe you should beat the MSQ, you know so you can experience the game. You are really limiting yourself. Then again, this response reads a little bit like a troll.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Buddy, you got me wrong. I make a career out of disrespecting mechanics, not "worshipping" them. That's weird. Also maybe you should beat the MSQ, you know so you can experience the game. You are really limiting yourself. Then again, this response reads a little bit like a troll.

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And this is why you are confused why people on the NN network do not approve or like you. You have to understand not everyone plays like you. I understand not everyone plays like me. I have played WoW since the beginning, but never got to level 60 until my favorite class was added to the game many years later. I would keep on deleting and remaking characters for years.

People play this game at their own speed even the developers have acknowledged this. This is why the developers make ARR's MSQ last two dungeons the scenes unskippable so new players would not get booted for wanting to watch the story unfold.

If you keep thinking everyone who does not think like you is a troll or not real, you will remain obvious as you are. Sometimes you have to understand sometimes its not other people who are the problem, but rather you. If you have the entire Novice Network against you.... you most likely are the problem and need to take time to look at yourself in the mirror to reflect.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

When the devs include hard dps checks and don't give the player base the proper tools for figuring it out, or really any kind of feedback system. ACT was born out of necessity in 14.

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Funny there was a time in MMO history where there was no parsers, no pretty markers over your head or the need for messages to tell you where to stand. Yet players still manage to figure things out and kill bosses, but if people want their hands held more so be it.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Funny there was a time in MMO history where there was no parsers, no pretty markers over your head or the need for messages to tell you where to stand. Yet players still manage to figure things out and kill bosses, but if people want their hands held more so be it.

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Those games probably had proper feedback systems though, or had their own tools developed in the absence of.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Those games probably had proper feedback systems though, or had their own tools developed in the absence of.

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Games like Everquest didnt have tools avalible at first now they do. But the tools it has are nothing compared to what FF14 gives players. I am old fashion gamer so for me its puzzling at times to see people struggle with figuring out basic things. Have we really reached a point where the game needs to tell players dont stand in flaming goo?

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Funny there was a time in MMO history where there was no parsers, no pretty markers over your head or the need for messages to tell you where to stand. Yet players still manage to figure things out and kill bosses, but if people want their hands held more so be it.

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This was kind of touched upon earlier on the thread, but it definitely seems like a problem with today’s generation. They don’t want to think for themselves. It’s like when the new demon souls remake came out and there was a whole spheal on people protesting for an easy mode for the game. It seems like not a lot of people want to put in any work into anything anymore.