I guess it's time

Problem is though. They only gave JP speakers the fax machine if you will.

I did the HW relic for DRK but to me....+1 Weapon damage and on average a +6 to your selected stats and main stats from the Hyper weapon IMO is not worth a 1-2 month grindfest investment. Judging from the 2.0 relic it eventually became obsolete and had no unique weapon ability to set it apart from any other weapon. So a "impressive looking weapon but nothing more". Especially when in later patchs they essentially hand you a weapon equally as powerful at a much cheaper cost of investment.

Which at this point I have to wonder if any new steps are added if I should even bother.

As for Savage I won't do it. Harder versions of fights you already have done with essential "do this much damage within this time limit" parses just isn't my thing.

I'll check out Deep Dungeon...but right now I'm just going to enjoy this GW2 ride I've been having. A bunch of design decisions just say "yes" to me. It's gonna be hard to come back to XIV after seeing how GW2 handles level syncing. One allows you to use all your skills....anywhere. And another is oh no them skills too hard to balance lock em out pronto.

I guess the one thing XIV does have over GW2 is an actual Aggro management system.

I do feel the lack of party finding groups is mostly because duty finder is pretty much the bonafide buy out option where you don't really need to form actual parties and communicate. It's more "hope for the best".

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Originally Posted by Mature

This thread should be locked cause it brings NOTHING positive or rewarding to the community or the game

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I disagree. I find most content unrewarding and mostly rides it's way on smoke, mirrors, and spectacle. That said the most rewarding thing to come out of this topic is knowing that there are those who share my sentiments. "Preaching to the choir" I suppose.

At the very least we can all agree on disagreeing and all disagree on agreeing.

Are we still at it with this thread? We now entered into a game comparisons.....

Like I said

Is it really worth paying a monthly fee for not doing much? when the game PROVIDES you with a lot of content. Because it is clear people only do bits and bats and don't actually bother with the rest cause they find it boring and not for their liking. (It's like buying a brand new game and rushing thru it without getting the extra bits)

If this game is not for you or had its time for you MOVE ON and play something else. This thread should be locked cause it brings NOTHING positive or rewarding to the community or the game but silly arguments and childish attitudes. The thread has lot the plot

Mature:
Or you could see it openly that the game is not perfect and not everything SE feeds you is accepted. White knighting a thread won't solve any problems. This thread brings positivity and is shedding light on certain things that seems to be a problem.
Players (SE customers) are discussing and debating here because they want to contribute and voice their opinion to help the game improve on what they think is wrong.
If the game was so perfect as you claim it to be these discussions would not be here.
If you can't see that everyone here typing actually cares about the game and love SE and the FF franchise by debating these things then I don't know what to say.
The random casual is currently running out of content because there is not enough content provided.
You seem to think that you should intentionally start levling other jobs in this game because that counts as something to do? It shouldnt, the game should keep you occupied to continue playing your current job and never give you the feeling of now you have nothing to do so it bores you out.
Weekly capps prevents you from playing the game as much as you like because you cant even persue your goal without feeling limited.
Maps are currently empty with not world content cause we spend our life in duty finder.
If even the casual joe is starting to feel burned out with nothing to do then you are the one refusing to see the problem.
Current state of the game does burn you out with a feeling of whatever you acheive is useless eventually killing the actual feeling of making levels items and progress feeling rewarding.
Again people writing in this thread care about SE and the FFXIV product or else they wouldnt be here and leave without saying a word.

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Yep yep, so true.

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Originally Posted by Mature

silly arguments and childish attitudes.

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Real Mature there sonny.

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I see more complaining than actual debate. I don't think you have even read all 60+ pages and I honestly don't blame you.

I'm having a right good fun right now in the game and I cannot get my head around people saying :"theres nothing to do I'm bored dead game patch 264829 will save the game etc etc etc" I wonder what they want or what they do in this game? Level 1 class to 60 and wait until next patch?

And example, after work I'm gonna play the MB then do more hunts to get all my main to 240 , after that Ill get my second main to 240. Craft while waiting chat with people do some Nidex while I'm at it. Do some gathering ,help people to clear old stuff . So I'm looking forward going home and play the game

I ask you again, is it really worth paying a month fee for doing....not much? Where THERE IS stuff to do? I think this game is not for everyone but for the dedicated ones and with enough spare time. I'm gonna leave it here cause people are playing the wrong game. If you fed up and bored of it and Yoship and team are not listening , I think is time for some to go and play something else. We don't need toxic attitude we got enough of that in game

I could ask you is it really worth doing a ton of work to amount to not much? For every job class? You claim you don't want toxic attitude but is it not venom you are spitting right now? Because you would rather the game not change? Continue to stagnate?

Oh well. You know what they say. No use trying to talk to a trained dog.

I would rather have a FF XIV experience instead of what appears to be a FF WoW "me too" experience. I had hoped that they would have at least taken concepts and idea's from XI and see what worked and what didn't and ultimately create a better product. Apparently not.

"Play the MB" huh. There must be tons of diverse content out there I must be missing if a player advocating there is a ton to do decides that a majority of their time is best spent fishing on the Market Board.

Not gonna jump too much into the debate here, but I do think that if you play this game solely for power acquisition/gear progression it's pretty understandable that you'd get burned out quickly. Who knows if the developers will change it or not, but FFXIV so far just isn't designed as a "gear grinder" type of game.

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I see more complaining than actual debate. I don't think you have even read all 60+ pages and I honestly don't blame you.

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I have read them all and I can say that out of 66 pages so far only you and maybe 2 other guys consider FFXIV to be in acceptable state. Everyone else says the world is burning.

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Not gonna jump too much into the debate here, but I do think that if you play this game solely for power acquisition/gear progression it's pretty understandable that you'd get burned out quickly. Who knows if the developers will change it or not, but FFXIV so far just isn't designed as a "gear grinder" type of game.

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True, and that's why we say that FFXIV must be reworked.

I have read 60% of this thread waiting for constructive posts suggesting improvements with a in-depth analysis how to implement it so far all I found is "We need to make X to make FFXIV great again!".
Before suggesting something put youself in the place of a game director/designer/developer and etc... "How would I implement it?", "How long would it take?", "How hard it is to do it?", "Would it affect previous expansions?"...

If I resume what I saw, is just a bunch of "Hey! You need to remove cap and create more stuff with higher quality every 3 months while totally rewriting your game mechanics!".

This thread needs to be closed due to excessive Trumpness.

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True, and that's why we say that FFXIV must be reworked.

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If I wanted to play a gear grinder I would have played a gear grinder. Luckily FFXIV is more than that.