[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

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Originally Posted by Augury

I'd like to disagree, only on the notion that in my opinion, gear should be mostly aesthetic in value, and though more leve gear which will be job specific has been announced, I'd rather raiding gear not become a part of the game, or NM gear which is better than crafted gear. This is because I am of the opinion, that the game's best items should be crafted, not found. I think end-game gear should represent many mechanical and aesthetic choice combinations to give players more control over their appearance than "What produces the best buffs". So in this respect, I would like gear to avoid being set-driven as well.

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ok, might be a bit of misunderstanding here,

I was more saying that having gear that only one job can use, that has specific traits/values/abilities further makes jobs unique, and that means we dont have to go too crazy trying to make the actual jobs so rigid.

I do see what you mean about having job specific gear limiting visual choices, but the game is already like that now, if i want an evasion set up, i need specific gear, if i want a defense set up different gear, and im limited based on my class. And frankly thats not enough visual differentiation for most people, i think its only going to get more rigid, whether its crafted or not.

Personally i would enjoy some type of high level system where you could customize your look, and not be bound by a certain gear look for certain stats, but it doesnt look like most people like that idea. They want monks to look like monks, whm to look like whm etc.

If you rename my specializations to the "Job System" and call the advanced classes "Jobs" it still works without any further changes.

Man would it be cool if the jobs weren't class-specific.

The "TRADSHNAL FAINL FANTSY" zealots would probably get a seizure if we saw a sword/hth using dragoon though.

lmao but but but old FF games had Dragoons that used swords/rapiers.

Who cares fool? Lance was still the best and optimal choice.

Well that's to be expected though, the game is still in it's very early stages- but I think for the better of the game's future, gear related bonuses and Defense shouldn't increase a great deal, or even be crazy enough to say that gears should only require pLv 50 to use, with no exception, meaning that the player has the ability to grind up to 50 by shifting gear for higher values, but at 50 they have to actually start playing with several options that work for them, which shouldn't be numerical alone. Such a thing is probably a bit of a pipe dream though.

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I would just like to thank the Academy and the people on these forums for making it possible. Keep the dream alive! (b'-')b

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

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I would just like to thank the Academy and the people on these forums for making it possible. Keep the dream alive! (b'-')b

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You're welcome. *tasers Kuroki*

Now, thread necroing? Not cool. :P

Actually now that I think about it, whether they'll change it through talents or advanced classes doesn't really matter at the end of the day.

What is most important is how the progression speed is handled. If there are jobs to level on top of classes, the grind should be cut in half at the very least, if not more since talents would contain more than one "job" within them for simply one leveling session.

Ultimately the difference is in the leveling speed. I think casuals would benefit more from the separate job-approach. Sure, they'll be leveling more jobs, but they'll do it fast.

EDIT: Unlike XI, each class would unlock two jobs. Further, you could only play on one job related to the class (when not in a town). But, you could play on other jobs that are unrelated to the current class. Once you pick a job, other jobs related to the class become unavailable and locked until you go to town.

To summarize, there are double as many jobs as there are classes, but you can only play with as many jobs at once as there are classes. Each class and job is leveled separately, with jobs beginning at rank 15 as opposed to rank 1 and are unlocked by getting your class from rank 1 to 30. Leveling speed is doubled.

This would also have the beneficial effect of keeping the low ranks more active as the game grows older even without many new players joining in.

At this point I really just want to know what's going on. All speculation washed away leaving only the facts to remain.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Man would it be cool if the jobs weren't class-specific.

The "TRADSHNAL FAINL FANTSY" zealots would probably get a seizure if we saw a sword/hth using dragoon though.

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Man, Monk/Dragoon was actually a lot of fun in XI.