Revelations from SHADOWBRINGERS

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

The analogy to bugs is a good one, but even with those in mind, the major tasks the Ancients desired of Zodiark (stop the destruction of the world, revitalize the world, restore those sacrificed) were likely capabilities the Ancients intended to include. They built Zodiark to those specifications. Bugs would show up in more minor ways; for example, I'm willing to acknowledge that Tempering could have been a glitch caused by a panicky Convocationeer hoping Zo would have some way to control the folks who kept crapping out horrific demons by accident, even if I consider it to be at least as likely to have been a calculated and intentional feature. But for the big stuff, yeah, the Ancients knew what Zodiark could do. There was no guesswork involved.

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But ancients are not perfect and can make mistakes (quite easily if they are not fully concentrated). Seeing how they seemingly waited quite a bit until Zodiark was summoned (as in: until it was at their city) its really not that surprising if panic and other emotions were running high and thus mistakes were made.

The short story also points out how they had no idea how souls are made.

Also I am still not sure how these souls would even still exist or be able to be taken out. The whole point of that sacrifice imo was to give them immense power by giving them their souls as battery. Shouldnt he have used them up? Also if they already had planned about getting those souls back (which in turn would make Emets "would your people sacrifice themselves for others"-speech, ring very hollow since then it would have never been a true sacrifice anyway)why are they still talking about this as a solution afterwards? Shouldnt that have been solved beforehand? Because seemingly Hythlo makes it sound like that idea was only talked about afterwards but if it was their plan the whole time that does not make much sense.

Not just that but even Emet himself made it sound like it was a rush job during the run through of Amaurot's final days. Like they were on the brink of destruction held a council meeting rushed it out to the people and went , "Yo! We gotta plan to stop this, upside is we can rework the will of the planet but we need to create it. We need volunteers ASAP!!! So we can do this! Btw the fine print is you wont live due to the aether we need. DO WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS!!"

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Not just that but even Emet himself made it sound like it was a rush job during the run though of Amaurot's final days. Like they were on the brink of destruction held a council meeting rushed it out to the people and went , "Yo! We gotta plan to stop this, upside is we can rework the will of the planet but we need to create it. We need volunteers ASAP!!! So we can do this! Btw the fine print is you wont live due to the aether we need. DO WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS!!"

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My current headcanon is that Hydaelyn and Zodiark were actually part of a single creation concept, but since the rate of the Final Days afflicting the planet sped up, they could only get the zodiark part completed in time, and that the 14th left because they didnt want to use an 'unfinished' concept.

Yeah that's just one version my mind kinda plays out... it's not as bad though as what keeps playing out in my head concerning our character dying and Hydaelyn finding out... it involves Alexander and is just straight up silly

Looks like Nier Riad is related to the Dwarf in some way after all. The intro quest teased in the trailer looks like we will be following the Dwarf on the First to investigate the Machine Graveyard that was mentioned so the 1st Nier raid and maybe the remaining 2 maybe on the First.

There is a chance, maybe even a small one, that the Nier raid is related to a Ancient Civilization from the First or could be remnents of a Civilization from the Original World before the Sundering.


On that note...

Looks like 2B will be fighting against 9S. They also seem to have put effort into giving this 2B some new animation attacks not from Nier Automata while mixing in some of her normal animations from Nier Automata such as her double illusion clone slash.

PS the Nier raid theme music is Glorious.

On the Source side of events...

It seems we will get more scenes focusing on events in Garlean Empire and it seems a full Garlean Force been mobilized in the Capital City either to hunt down Zenos for his crime of murdering the Emperor or Gaius and Estinien due to people suspecting them for the murder.


PSS Alex Ultimate!

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Because seemingly Hythlo makes it sound like that idea was only talked about afterwards but if it was their plan the whole time that does not make much sense.

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The sacrifice is only hollow if the ones sacrificing themselves knew ahead of time that they would be saved. If they offered up their lives with no expectation of salvation, then it was still a noble thing. Did they know? It is not certain at this point.

The Ascians' desire to rescue them from their sacrifice would also be noble, if not for the price that must be paid for it...

I hope we get a proper RP battle for Estinien/Gaius vs. Zenos.

I'm also praying the Garleans know that it's him who did the deed and that he doesn't just end up playing them all for fools, though, since I feel like it would be harder to predict how things play out from there then if he were to usurp the throne.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I hope we get a proper RP battle for Estinien/Gaius vs. Zenos.

I'm also praying the Garleans know that it's him who did the deed and that he doesn't just end up playing them all for fools, though, since I feel like it would be harder to predict how things play out from there then if he were to usurp the throne.

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Based on the camera angle and the fluidity it def looked like we were RPing as Estinien since it looked very similar to when we used Y'shtola against Magnai.

I just noticed that he's not actually fighting Zenos in that scene and rather it's some kind of magitek creation that bears a resemblance to Ultima Weapon.

I suppose that even if the Garleans know Zenos did it they're not just gonna let Estinien and Gaius waltz out of there regardless.

Zenos will most likely admit to the death of his father. Who can match him in power in Garlemald? Nobody. No one would dare challenge his authority, so they'll all follow out of fear of him. It won't be until some unseen event occurs that they will turn on him. I have a feeling the Populares however, will turn to Eorzea for help defeating him.