New NMs

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Don't you guys know they could easy just make HNM be 24-3days pop and allow you get the same item by doing BCNM type system? but no you guys are to in a hurry to bitch about 24+hours nm pop to even think about that.

FFXI did it that how i got one of my black belt item the rest was HNM -.- and i told myself i wont ever do HNM again to much work but i still want to see them in the game.

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Then the hardcores would bitch about gear being too common later down the road. There pretty much isn't a middle ground.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

There are plenty of ways to add rare great pieces of armor without having people waste 24hrs of life and fight against bots just to get. Full parties will get the best gear from dungeons and fighting NMs. Light parties will will get the good but not great pieces.

This game will not get 24hr HNMs just appeal to a small base that have a lot of time on their hands. Games can become challenging and harder without setting major time sinks. I'm hoping battle positions play a bigger part in tactics.

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What are you just making stuff up now? How do you know what will happen?

No one has to waste 24 hours of their life beCAUSE THE WINDOW IS ONLY 3 HOURS LONG. It could pop right off the bat you don't know. Is it really asking that much? Really?

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

@ Zenaku

Thats been stated but from the HNM people, ff11 had ein for HNM gear for the most part, casuals will never be happy.

Were not asking for HNM's right now, 75+ will do.

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Still casuals can just do a long ass quest chain or do a bcnm type mission to get the gear. Or wait 24+hours for the pop make both players type happy and if they think it still dumb idea then "Causals players" can't really see am middle ground to anything and should just go play something else or deal with it. Some players want to do something more hard the just solo all the dumb mission and zerg the nm like we are doing now,.

@corrderio: for the Causals BCNM type make the drop rate pretty low. If they bitch about that and can't meet a middle ground then i'm sorry FFXIV is not for you. Meet us hardcore somewhere in the middle or leave. Make HNM 24+hours a good drop rate but still hard to get and then the causal way low drop rate.

Hardcore and causals need to meet in the middle or this game would just fail.

make this game

50% Causlas and 50% hardcore and i love it at least there 50% of stuff i can do as a hardcore player.

@Visch ya that very true, 1-3hour pop is not bad all you have to do is get the dumb ass TOD if you to lazy for that then i'm sorry get out.

Again, Akumu, you do not have to camp HNM's, HNM LS's would be fine with other ways to get the same gear, we enjoy what we enjoy, why is it a personal goal of casuals to let HNM people have nothing at all.

Like in 11, casuals had access to sky/sea/nyzul/ein/dyna/salvage/znm's/scnm's and prob 10 others im forgetting which had the best of virtually the best of everything.

Its never enough, your goal isnt for things to be fair, your goal is to bring us all to the same level of mediocrity.

So basically you are all saying that if you cannot play the game how you want it then you are gonna quit OH MAMA

Amen sir.....

camping is no skill, no matter how much BS you guys type, camping will never be a skill.
k?
stop whining, get a life.

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Originally Posted by Visch

This sums up FFXIV NMs

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/4/4c/Spook.JPG

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http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress....stiwaslike.jpg

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Originally Posted by Moth

So basically you are all saying that if you cannot play the game how you want it then you are gonna quit OH MAMA

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Didn't you say you were going to combust if this game went casual? OH MAMA

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Originally Posted by Randis

camping is no skill, no matter how much BS you guys type, camping will never be a skill.
k?
stop whining, get a life.

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Just wait til I see you in game... You are gunna wish you never messed wit me.