Desynthesis Endgame Guide

Chimera felt sash of casting 11800 gil from node. I buy 100 each time.

I get this as a low end result since I was above 175 weaver skill
94 bc2 1.2k
3 clear demi3s 5k
22 chimera felt 25k
8 hq chimera felt 50k
25 silk 10k
6 hq silk 15k
100 lightning cluster 1k

I have had upwards of 40 chimera felts at a time and this is pretty much an average of my low end results. It did "appear" I got more low results using bacon broth over tinkers balm. I did not test extensively though.

The above results still are profitable if you sell everything, but it is not worth my time anymore. I have a nin that sends me stacks of chimera manes now and this is no longer the cheaper option for me.

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Originally Posted by Aseity

What's the lowest level you need to be to tinkers bacon the heavensward items? lvl 90?

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I would love an answer to this question as well, and if no one else tests it, will test it soon.

However, to answer the question, "at what point do you have an exactly 0% chance to desynth the HW items," the answer is either 85 OR 90 depending on the class. For BSM, there are zero r115 desynthable items. Believe me, I looked. So, for BSM, it would be 90 dSkill. For other classes like GSM, however, there are r115 items, so you can start five levels sooner.

Now, I have actually never tried desynthing something that I had a 0% chance at without any boosts and adding in boosts to see if it's possible to boost from 0% (or from below 0%). Either way, if you're boosting from 0, below 0, or just above 0, remember that in addition to tinker's bacon, you can use materia for meldable items. Pretty much all of the lowest level HW stuff is meldable. So, if you're at 90 skill and want to desynth a Mythrite Claymore, if you meld it with three materia and use Tinker's Bacon, if boosting from 0% works, you'll have a 30% desynth chance instead of 0%. Still not great, but doable. If you can boost from below 0%, you could even start earlier. I don't know what would happen though, if it's still -1.5% per level below 0 or what.

At 91 BSM skill, I'm pretty sure it said 16.50% chance with HQ Bacon Broth and Tinker's Calm together for Mythrite Pugiones. I can't imagine that being worth it at that skill level. At some point soon I'll get back to levelling BSM to 100 skill, and I can check then.

Edit: I'm just now getting around to reading the latest LIVE Letter and saw this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3128859
Something might happen with Desynthesis!

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Originally Posted by Teiren

At 91 BSM skill, I'm pretty sure it said 16.50% chance with HQ Bacon Broth and Tinker's Calm together for Mythrite Pugiones. I can't imagine that being worth it at that skill level. At some point soon I'll get back to levelling BSM to 100 skill, and I can check then.

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You forgot to meld. For just ~400 extra gil per desynth, you could have boosted that to 26.5%, which is far more reasonable. For ~900 extra gil per desynth, you could have boosted that to 31.5%. Assuming, of course, you could find cheap materia for ~200 gil each. Since you will gain 9 levels from 10 successes, at 31.5%, you only need ~33 attempts. 33 attempts at ~16,000 gil each if you buy them is ~500,000 gil to get from 91 to 100, which is.... actually pretty expensive. Hmm. There has to be a better way. I really need to stop slacking off about the database. Entering literally thousands of items is exhausting though. It's about 500 per class, plus about a thousand mats. I'm only up to about 1,500 items so far, and I know I have about ~2,500 to go... And then there's the dungeon loot, which is harder to add to the database.


Still, I'm still wondering though what the chance would be with 90 skill in your situation, or 89 skill. Would they be 15% and 13.5% respectively, or would they both be 0%? In other words, can you boost from 0 if your skill is right on the edge?

Not really all that viable a Desynth for powerleveling, I decided to spend 1740 Allied Seals I otherwise had no use for on a Flame Elite's Katzbalgar. At 79.79 BSM Desynth skill I had a 68.00% chance of successfully Desynthing it. I blew it :(

What's the max desynth level? Mine is at 135 and it's my only desynth leveled up (CUL) and for what level I should aim for?

Ah, melding...of course. But yeah, I'll stick with Summoning Bells all the way to 100 probably. It's not that bad as long as my friends don't get tired of me. :P

And my best guess about being able to boost from 0% is that you can, but it goes into the negatives. In other words, if 90 skill meant exactly 0% chance, then you boost it from there, but if 86 skill was -6% chance (which would display as 0%), and you boosted it by 10%, you'd have a 4% chance of success. Those are all just example numbers. I forget what the actual numbers would be.

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Originally Posted by Zankes

What's the max desynth level? Mine is at 135 and it's my only desynth leveled up (CUL) and for what level I should aim for?

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It seems be 180 the max desynth now, atm im 170.23 in CUL, but sadly nothing much to do now with it as just crafting mats & some materias seems to be the better desynthing fish from HW. Though not much info for the folklore fish yet, 60* star fish hard to find and low rate to desynth yet (though doable like 35% with buffs now, havent take time to get other recently as im leveling other stuff)

Sitting on 170/171/172 on ARM/GSM/WVR atm. 145, 150 stuff only give 0.03 skillup, or less. Dungeon drops 0.10->0.20. Max is 180, I presume.

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Originally Posted by Teiren

And my best guess about being able to boost from 0% is that you can, but it goes into the negatives. In other words, if 90 skill meant exactly 0% chance, then you boost it from there, but if 86 skill was -6% chance (which would display as 0%), and you boosted it by 10%, you'd have a 4% chance of success. Those are all just example numbers. I forget what the actual numbers would be.

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That's what I originally expected, but then I realized that it's not a constant 1.5% per point. When your desynth skill is within 10 points of the item's rlvl, it's 2% per point. If it's within 30, but not 10, then it's 1.5% per point. So, if it's 31 away, who knows? Maybe it's 100% per point, meaning something that's 31 above your skill will always be 0% even with all the buffs available (Careful Desynth +6 and 5 Materia melded, which is +40%, biggest possible bonus right now).

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Originally Posted by Zorlinta

atm im 170.23 in CUL

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Oh, hey, someone with high CUL desynth and access to 60* fish! When you get a chance, could you please post here what your exact CUL dSkill is, and the exact chance to desynth a 60* fish with that dSkill level? You don't have to actually do the desynth, just check the %. I want to verify if they are r180 or not.

If they are r180, with 170 CUL dSkill, your chance without buffs should be exactly 30% (170-180=-10; -10*2%=-20%; 50%+(-20%)=30%).