It's a bestiary and if it was like that, it's an MMO from the new era where hand holding is the norm, so you'd be pointed into the exact location xD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustyhagun
BETA TEST ROADMAP IS UP!
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12-27-2012, 11:22 PMElexia
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12-27-2012, 11:33 PMKiriA500http://i48.tinypic.com/2jfm6hx.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
Yeah, screw that crap! Let's go back to the good ol' days of when NPC's would ask you to do something but give you no information as to how to complete the task they just asked you to do! It's not like this is a video game or anything...! Let's make everything as much of a chore as possible! -
12-27-2012, 11:44 PMElexiaAgreed, clicking "Auto-Route" which moves you to an exact location as seen in many new asian MMOs is definitely the best way to do things, progress etc etc. Not being lazy at all etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
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12-27-2012, 11:49 PMZenakuFFXI Back when i was 15year old without 3 party toolsQuote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
Get Advance job Quest "Ninja
Do all the boring parts
Go find and talk to person in Norg "...."
Log off
Print information/maps
Log back in
Look at map -.- "confuse" Wtf
20m to find the right Hole 3m to find the opening to enter Norg
"Die"
Do it all over again
Enter Norg
Guy at location is (H-8)
http://images.wikia.com/spongebob/im...utes_later.jpg
There you are -.-
Return back to bastok
read a sad story
Hours Spent:3+
Best 6 years of my life i enjoy and love every sec of that do i now? nope :) but i like more quest that are as good as FFXI without being so simple and dumb please and thank. "yoshi-p" -
12-28-2012, 12:00 AMFelis
Like i said already, the hunting log is just the beastiary (bestiarium in the geman pdf)
It would be like this
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1v_1_hhWp8...i-bestiary.jpg
Or like this
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...i-bestiary.jpg
Or like this
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12-28-2012, 12:03 AMSkyeWindbinderLOL Yeah, let's go back to the days when an npc said "Hey! Go here! I'll mark the location on your map!" only they didn't mark the location, so you eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
A. Spent hours looking for the place hoping to stumble across it by luck
B. Got another player to show/tell you where it is, or
C. Had to log off and look for it online.
Because having an NPC tell you where what you're looking for is is no fun. No fun at all. No, the more hours you spend frustrated as heck, looking for the location of the quest, the better! Heck, I even do that in real life! Like when I have the GPS running in my car to tell me where a new location is downtown, I just have it set to get me to downtown. Then I turn it off and drive for hours trying to find the place! Sure, it costs me gas money and a lot of time! But actually getting directions to the place you want to be? Where's the fun in that!?!?
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12-28-2012, 12:03 AMKiriA500Yeah, because that's exactly what's going to happen. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/32524505.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
It's weird, you had to look elsewhere to find the information, yet you still enjoyed the quest! Now, imagine if that stuff was in the game from the beginning! Same quest, taking you to the same places...only you didn't have to spend 3+ hours trying to figure out what to do!
People seem to think that having an indication of where to go or what to do in a quest implies there's no substance to them. Those people are wrong, and should shut up. -
12-28-2012, 12:16 AMZenakuThat what i'm saying i enjoy the quest due to the storyline and how hard it was to get done due to where i had to go and die. Now you can easy do that without wasting 2hours of my time just trying to find the area/looking up information. We need more fun and rich storyline not boring x,y,z.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
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12-28-2012, 12:21 AMKiriA500Hehe, yeah...sorry, my post kind of makes it sound like I wasn't agreeing with you. I'm on your side! *highfives*Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
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12-28-2012, 12:24 AMPhe
simply as that.
people can read.
when all the necessary info is in the NPC dialogue or in the quest log there's no need for blinking arrows and stuff.
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12-28-2012, 12:27 AMyukikaze_yanagii'm not so sure about this , looking at threads who ask a less rich textQuote:
Originally Posted by Phe
in ffxi there were none, and people didn't did any different than live with ffxiciclopedia under the noseQuote:
when all the necessary info is in the NPC dialogue or in the quest log there's no need for blinking arrows and stuff.
this isn't a racing game for retards where there is a bright and colorful racing line marked on the street.
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12-28-2012, 12:32 AMTwiddleYou mean like EVERY single quest in XI?Quote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
Like hell am not doing that....Quote:
Example:
NPC: <player> go to the north and find me contraband.... it's in a cold place far, far away.
NPC: that's all i can give you, now go i need it before 0:00, it's now 18:00
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12-28-2012, 01:09 AMAbriaelEveryone is "aware" of it. But people haven't *seen* it. There's quite a difference, you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
"if you don't agree with me, I'm wasting my time".Quote:
This isn't really going anywhere. If you fail to see the marketing potential of E3 then I am wasting my time.
Dude. I'm a game writer. I go to E3 rather regularly. I know its "potential" probably quite a bit better than you do. And for a game like FFXIV, that has been shown over, and over and over, and that will have been in beta for quite a while, probably with its NDA already down and beta testers free to post whatever they want of it, that potential is negligible, if not zero.
It's not even nearly worth delaying a release of a game over, in fact no one does. But according to your logic all those game devs and publishers "fail to see the marketing potential". Lol. -
12-28-2012, 01:17 AMStarlordWell, if it's going to Launch between June~ Whenever, I would want them to make a Big Announcement on E3, Otherwise If it's May and Below I wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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12-28-2012, 01:20 AMAbriaelOnly, there'll be nothing to make a "big announcement" of by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
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12-28-2012, 01:26 AMStarlordWell, aside from us and a Couple hundred thousand people ( which only so many people really went to that attraction :P) from Gamescom,How many people really truly know about FFXIV ARR? I still know a lot of people with the mindset of 2010 attitude :/. It "Wouldn't hurt" to make an E3 Announcement If and ONLY if the Release date is pushed back on or Past E3. Otherwise No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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12-28-2012, 01:30 AMAbriaelWith the NDA down? People will have seen a crapton of previews, livestreams and random footage of the game by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
That's what happens with MMORPGs, especially big name ones. You can't "announce" A Realm Reborn. Even now, with the NDA up and all, it would not be a "big announcement". It would be just another trailer of just another game that people already saw plenty.
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12-28-2012, 01:33 AMStarlordGranted with NDA Down, How many really know and would typing into Google "FFXIV Blah Blah?" If people can't even type even FFXIV in the Search bar... I Highly doubt they will ever know about it. Word of Mouth is good.. but how far does it really get by Launch day? SE needs to do there part on the Marketing end to get the word out, and E3 would be a perfect place before Launch day to make that final big push!Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
And that's why I said, If it's Before the NDA is Lifted there would be no point, but if the NDA is Lifted and the game is not Launched by E3 then It wouldn't hurt to make the E3 Push. It's " Getting last Marketing push in before Launch".Quote:
That's what happens with MMORPGs, especially big name ones. You can't "announce" A Realm Reborn. Even now, with the NDA up and all, it would not be a "big announcement". It would be just another trailer of just another game that people already saw plenty.
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12-28-2012, 01:37 AMHoly_Dragoon
So much anger in so many posts.
I'm pretty happy with the Beta Roadmap. It looks like we're not waiting until July after all =) -
12-28-2012, 01:40 AMSodRansom
So I'm not in the gaming community much. For some reason, FF is one of the only games that really appeals to me. So I honestly don't know the answer to this question. But is FFXIV really considered to be a "big name MMORPG?" My first impression is that it's popular mainly in the FF community but not much else.
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12-28-2012, 01:42 AMWyyote
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12-28-2012, 01:42 AMAbriaelYou know that a game press exists, right? As soon as the NDA drops there'll be tons of previews with pictures and movies posted on every major site on the block, and a lot the minor ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
There won't be any need to google.
That marketing money would be a LOT better oriented to the casual players that don't care one bit about watching E3, because the core gamers that watch the E3 liverstream will know and have seen plenty of the game by then.Quote:
And that's why I said, If it's Before the NDA is Lifted there would be no point, but if the NDA is Lifted and the game is not Launched by E3 then It wouldn't hurt to make the E3 Push. It's " Getting last Marketing push in before Launch".
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12-28-2012, 01:52 AMPayadopaWhile I really would like to believe that, in the end I just go there and fight mobs that are usually too easy to kill anyway (Gods forfend I have to play with others in an MMO lol).Quote:
People seem to think that having an indication of where to go or what to do in a quest implies there's no substance to them. Those people are wrong, and should shut up.
So, at the moment, the destination isn't fun, nor is the way. I'll reserve judgment untill I see the finished product, though, the way MMOs tend to work nowadays they do a very poor job of masking the grind. XI really had enough grinding in its own right. And yes, quests were obscure as hell, but at least it felt like an accomplishment in the end when you finished one (yes, I do have a brain lol).
ARR is almost too convenient when it comes to showing me the way (for quests). Not even do I have a narrow area where I can look for a mob, I also have little 'Qs' above every single one of them. lol I really hope XIV manages to strike a middle ground.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to go back to XI. I don't want to trade in all of my conveniece just for the sake of nostalgia. But then again, at least a few MMOs (or games in general) should treat me like a human being capable of rational thinking and an attention span that last for longer than 10 secs.
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12-28-2012, 02:15 AMXenorSo you're saying there is no marketing potential from exposing a product to hundreds of thousands of your intended audience? Companies wouldn't bother attending E3 if they did not think the exposure of their product would benefit its sales in some way. They aren't there just to drive visitors to your website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
It wouldn't be the first time a game has appeared at multiple E3s either, in fact FFXIII was at E3 2006, 2008 and 2009, a game people were already well aware of by 2009. So what exactly is wrong with SE revealing FFXIV at E3 2009 and then releasing a new trailer at E3 2013 as well as new info on upcoming exciting patches or even announcing the first expansion for 2014 along with a trailer? You can easily talk about a product people have seen while making new announcements.
And yes, I am wasting my time if you don't agree with me, just like you are with me. We're both trying to predict the future here and only time will tell who is right. Not constant "im rite ur rong" arguments on a bloody forum. -
12-28-2012, 02:32 AMBabydollI really hope they do this this time around. Part of the reason everyone knew about wow was because of their commercials lol everyone was talking about the mr t and chuck norris ones haha. Hope se will be smart this time and give ffxiv more commercials then they did for ffxi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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12-28-2012, 03:05 AMNorackThan my work here is complete. Norack away!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by dbrewer225
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12-28-2012, 03:16 AMAbriaelWe're not talking about *attending E3* here. We all know Square Enix is going to attend E3, as they do so every year. We're talking about delaying a game in order to launch it after E3 and missing the schedule they set on their own in the process, which is an extremely different pair of sleeves, and something that simply no one does, for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
If they had the slightest intention of delaying the game past E3, they would have scheduled accordingly.
"exposing a product to hundreds of thousands of your intended audience" works only when those "hundreds of thousands" haven't already been exposed to it plenty, and with the NDA down and every gaming site writing previews, that kind of exposure will be already covered much better than E3 ever could.
Besides, they can show the game at E3 regardless of its launch, so delaying the game to fit E3 makes even less sense.
Final Fantasy XIII sure hasn't ever been delayed or didn't have its launch schedule adjusted to fit any event, E3 included.Quote:
It wouldn't be the first time a game has appeared at multiple E3s either, in fact FFXIII was at E3 2006, 2008 and 2009, a game people were already well aware of by 2009. So what exactly is wrong with SE revealing FFXIV at E3 2009 and then releasing a new trailer at E3 2013 as well as new info on upcoming exciting patches or even announcing the first expansion for 2014 along with a trailer? You can easily talk about a product people have seen while making new announcements.
You're comparing apples to escalators. One thing is bringing a game to E3, since you're going anyway and it doesn't have any added cost, one thing is *delaying* a game to wait for E3 or changing its schedule, disappointing your fans and launching after the hype train has already passed (and in the inconvenient summer window, by the way, which is much worse, marketing-wise, than spring).
Oh, and no. They aren't going to annnounce expansions a month or two after release. You're talking about science fiction.
No. I'm not trying to predict the future. I know that it won't happen, because I know that your idea has no marketing utility, just as much as anyone at Square Enix knows, because they're professionals and know this market, and know exactly what fits E3 and what doesn't. Besides having worked around the industry for 15 years, a degree in brand management tells me that. There's no predicting the future needed to identify a bad idea based on lacking the necessary knowledge of the market and of marketing itself and on overestimating massively the influence of E3 on games that simply don't fit its target.Quote:
And yes, I am wasting my time if you don't agree with me, just like you are with me. We're both trying to predict the future here and only time will tell who is right. Not constant "im rite ur rong" arguments on a bloody forum.
If the game is going to launch in june, it won't have anything to do with E3, but simply with the fact that they'll need that development time. -
12-28-2012, 03:21 AMPwnagraphicI sent SE support an E-mail about legacy and its terms. They sent an E-mail back asking me to call them. I hope they decide to pull through and give me my well deserved Legacy >:-OQuote:
Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce
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12-28-2012, 03:34 AMShougunDid you miss it by a month? Or was it an error in the system? If they are giving legacy to those that missed it by a month I'd be really happy. For any less I'd think its weird but I dont care enough since I still think playing the game at the time legacy was available was fine and packed full of exclusives (reward enough) lol - besides it wasnt that bad once in year 2012. If they are doing any of the sort I assume you'd have to agree to an NDA.. though keep us updated if not :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic
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12-28-2012, 04:06 AMJennika
Why the hell would you delay a game for E3 when that game already has how many thousand paying customers waiting to give you their money? Hell if there were only 1,000 people at launch and they were all Legacy accounts that'd be about $10,000 right off the bat. That's not even a drop in the bucket towards SE being profitable on FFXIV but it is revenue.
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12-28-2012, 04:29 AMExnCareful there.. unless your ready to show your SE employee ID card.. (Brand managment degree LOL.. come on.. be serious... and 'game writer'? yeah, you and half the gaming population.. neither lend any creditability to your argument).Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
That being said, I agree with the jist of your agruement. I don't think it makes alot of sense to effectively delay launch of XIV solely because you want a marketing push during E3. Though, SE would be crazy to not market XIV at E3, but you weren't claiming that. They can launch whenever the game is ready, and still do an effective marketing push at E3.
I think the hype will be pretty large for XIV during E3, as it will be SE's chance to show what thier MMO can do versus the upcoming next-gen MMOs titles. Currently XIV has been compared to what's out now and what's been out for the past decade, but if XIV is going to succeed it needs to compete with future titles only being previewed/demo'd at E3 as well.
Especially with launch being so close to E3, and the fact that we are dealing with a MMO (specifically the time investment as compared to offline titles), alot of players who are not already on the XIV bandwagon may see another MMO on the horizon they like alot more at E3. They'd be alot less inclined to pickup ARR if it doesn't shine in comparison, and just hold out for some months for whatever game actually did stand out. -
12-28-2012, 04:36 AMTitans
I'm happy that they are willing to take what time it takes to make the game the best it could be. Final Fantasy XIV was my 1st mmo to play at the ripe old age of 35 lol. So with age comes patients, but don't get me wrong I'm waiting for the release with patients though. I enjoyed 1.0 probably more than most seeing how I'm sad to see it end, but from what i've experience in the alpha test. It's going to have a better start with a tone of content that 1.0 didn't have at launch. Yoshi-P has done a great job with 1.0 and it will also reflect in 2.0. Just give them time to creat the best game they can.
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12-28-2012, 05:22 AMDarkkenMoneybags
Square-enix at E3 will mostly show stuff that we already known about XIV. I see them showing FFXIII-3, FFvs13 & FFXV over XIV unless they decide to show work of the first stages of what to expect in the first expansion but I don't see that happening till 2014. You have to remember SE bought Eidos interactive & a few other companies that are lesser known outside of japan. SE could show another set of games from Eidos like they did with Tomb Raider (rebooted), Hitman (continuing the story of Agent 47). What to expect next I can predict seeing "Legacy of Kain & Thief (reboot) " at E3 2013.
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12-28-2012, 06:05 AMFaiyezActually, the roadmap is taking delays into account. That's why we get timeframes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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12-28-2012, 06:32 AMNoracki somewhat agree and also disagree. SE has more delays than they always anticipate. But at the same time if they weren't taking delays into account it would say a certain phase would take 3 weeks to complete as opposed to 3-5 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faiyez
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12-28-2012, 07:04 AMWynn
They are giving themselves wiggle room in the roadmap but that has nothing to do with if something seriously unanticipated happens and it pushes everything back further than what was originally accounted for. It isn't like this stuff is set in stone. The future is unwritten after all.
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12-28-2012, 07:11 AMBiggsYou have ruined or diverted more threads with this crap than i can count. Just stop. If it looks as bad as you make it sound then move on and stfu, but you don't get to have it both ways. I have read your horribleness for the last time, b listing the hell out of you and I HIGHLY encourage everyone that feels the same to do likewise. You contribute nothing to any forum you post in and are a horrible online entity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
As to the OP I am glad to see legacy members getting sweet treatment but as a long time supporter of this revamp I can't help but say that the longer this fiasco drags on, the more my interest in it wanes. I get that the remake takes time, and they want to get it right, but I am failing to understand why the 1.0 version came down in November if the new version was 8 months away. Bummed. -
12-28-2012, 07:35 AMArkhamNative
E3 will be around open beta (longest case, subject to change of course) so I wonder if SE will be handing out beta passes, if it hasn't launched yet.
SE said their roadmap wasn't to scale, so I scaled it. :D Two scales, using the shorter and longer time estimates (each white square equals 1 week).
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6...maptoscale.jpg
By SE's estimates, that puts the PS3 beta between late March and early May, and launch Mid-April to late June. All is subject to change, of course. No reasonable person wants them to rush it. -
12-28-2012, 07:38 AMZumiYes even Rokien must of decided the game wasn't for him and stopped posting, the majority of people did not care for his posts and constant complaining over every little issue he had with the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggs
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12-28-2012, 07:44 AMSkyeWindbinderQuote:
Originally Posted by Biggs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SYdjRVCR0
I guess we're past the point of kindness. lol