Not Midgarsormr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
see:
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/static...or-dana-02.jpg
I already posted leviathan's pics last page
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11-19-2012, 02:56 PMWarlock
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11-19-2012, 03:24 PMLeo_Hartnot for me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
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11-19-2012, 04:04 PMZenakuare you saying that not midgarsormr? because the dev have said it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
also that killing of tanaka leviathan you mean the high level strong sea mob? becuase i'm sure that what he is not leviathan but just a big fish in the sea and people think he leviathan because he some what look like him. -
11-19-2012, 04:37 PMJacien
Not only did the Devs (specifically Yoshi-P) say it was Midgardsormr, but it was known since the Job System was released. Professor Erik explains it if you ask him for some lore stuff.
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11-19-2012, 05:33 PMJinrya-Geki
CG Midlander... is sexy!?
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11-19-2012, 06:51 PMCatapultI'm afraid not. This is despite me agreeing with you. <3Quote:
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11-19-2012, 08:59 PMFernehalwes
Post submitted. Awaiting approval.
Thanks for being patient everybody! If I could summon the power of Althyk and teleport you all 15 hours into the future, I would without hesitation. -
11-19-2012, 08:59 PMHiirNoivl
*SQUEAL!* /dance /clap!
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11-19-2012, 09:01 PMAlaltusThanks for the hard work Ferne ^^ looking forward to it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
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11-20-2012, 01:15 AMWarlockNo no i'm not saying the dragon in that pic isn't Midgarsormr ... I'm telling Duuude that the skeleton in the concept art isn't Midgarsormr , That's the skeleton of the sea serpent you see in the Limsa Lominsa intro :D, I'm starting to think that it wasn't Leviathan at all too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
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11-20-2012, 01:16 AMWarlockNice nice :D I hope we get some mindblown answers!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
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11-20-2012, 02:06 AMAnonymoose
7 likes before I even got back to this... over a thread about the ambiguous intentions of the opening cutscene... that's reached 211 posts... If this isn't proof that there should at least be a lore-related subforum just to keep us out of your hair, no!? LOL. It might not end up the busiest place on the site, but there are quiet, esoteric nooks here and there as-is.
I have to say, though, Ferne; this is one of the reasons I've always stuck with XIV and will continue to. There are just some games and franchises that you can feel in the core experience: those who laid hands on it cared about it beyond the job itself, and all the TLC that XIV's required so far has really brought that out in this team. If ARR plays as well as it looks, I really hope that we fans can be just as successful in positive word-of-mouth to get the early-lost players back on-board. -
11-20-2012, 07:27 AMZenakuYa it can't be leviathan it just other sea serpent is not hard to think that they are other fish that look like leviathan in the sea.Quote:
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11-20-2012, 07:30 AMMjollnir"Chaotic Good Midlander" here. Every time.Quote:
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11-20-2012, 09:27 AMNoloeTazierTime to brew some coffee so I can casually drink it then spit it out as questions we have are answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
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11-20-2012, 09:45 AMHiirNoivlI'm waiting too... with tea and a bowlful of pomegranate seeds~Quote:
Originally Posted by NoloeTazier
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11-20-2012, 10:22 AMAnonymoose
The only thing I've been able to confirm so far is that Cid looks suspiciously like Woody Harrelson
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11-20-2012, 10:35 AMZenakulol he does o.oQuote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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11-20-2012, 11:26 AMWarlock30 mins to go!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NoloeTazier
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11-20-2012, 11:47 AMNoloeTazierSo what you're saying is, White Hyur can't jump?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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11-20-2012, 12:20 PMAnonymooseBut he sure can FLY.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoloeTazier
What I mean to say is... at least Woody Harrelson Cid would at least allow my cutscenes to be seen in a new light, as up until now, any cutscene shared between Anony Moose and Cid Nan Garlond has basically been:
HEY, EVERYONE!
WHO WANTS TO SEE
STEAMPUNK FABIO AND HIS PURPLE HAIRED TODDLER SAVE THE WORLD
http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/...moosandCid.png
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11-20-2012, 12:24 PMWarlockWhere is our Lore update (';.,.,.;') 15 hours have passed already!!Quote:
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11-20-2012, 12:27 PMAnonymoose
My clock says 13 hours and 25 minutes...
OH, LAWD, DID ATOMOS GET ME?
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11-20-2012, 12:33 PMWarlockIt says for me that Ferne commented at 3:59AM today and is now 7:32PMQuote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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11-20-2012, 12:41 PMAnonymoose
If you look at your forum settings, is your time zone set to the same time zone as your computer clock?
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11-20-2012, 01:54 PMFernehalwes
Greetings all! Grab a cup of Windurstian tea and pull up your chairs, because the lore train has arrived and is mixing metaphors faster than I can put a notch on the torch in my belt.
I’d like to start off by apologizing. Once for taking this long to reply (a perfect storm of Alpha Version translation, having to wait for the End of an Era trailer to be released, and sitting with my thumbs tied behind my back while waiting for the Lorelord to return from his journey deep into vacationland, kept me off the forums longer than I would have liked), and a second time for probably missing some of the questions buried in the 200+ posts found in the thread. Finally, I’ll apologize a third time because some of your questions, I was not given the clearance to answer. However, this doesn’t mean that you’ll never know the truth about these issues. It simply means, the answers are coming in 2.0, and Yoshi-P, the Lorelord, and his faithful minions don’t want to spill the beans before they can be properly planted in the oven.
Okay, but enough with what I didn’t/couldn’t/cannot do. Let’s get to what I can tell you. And I’m going to start at the beginning—the CG trailer for 1.0.
The Midlander male, Miqo’te female, and Elezen male you see in the 1.0 opening are a party simply looking to make some quick gil, so they do what most other parties (at the time of the original release) do—head to their local Adventurers’ Guild for some levequests. The three big questions here are:
1. When is this?
2. Where are they?
3. What on Ear—uh, Hydaelyn happens to the Midlander?
1. The answer to the first is, 1572 (close to Eorzean present day). This is backed by the fact that the three members have been blessed with the Echo (more on this further down). It was revealed in the main scenario that most adventurers with this gift received the power after witnessing a starshower—the same one you do at the game’s onset...which is defined as 1572.
Before I move onto question two, allow me to veer off onto a little tangent: there have been several threads about Hydaelyn’s timeline not matching up with Earth’s. If it has been two years since the release of the game, why is it still 1572 in Eorzea at the time of patch 1.23? This is a dilemma faced by a lot of MMOs. To allow everyone that joins the game, regardless of when they do, to experience the full story, there simply has to be a stoppage of time. Okay, not really a stoppage, but more of a time bubble in which a span of about a year is contained. This is why that for the duration of 1.0, Eorzea was in a perpetual 1572. Think of it as the same thing that’s happening in the Simpsons. 23 seasons gone and Lisa’s still 8, Maggie’s still a baby, and the gummy Venus still tastes oh, so sacrelicious. Pushing time along would also mean changing 1000s of lines of NPC dialogue, updating quests, webpages, etc. with every patch. Meaning it would take more than double the time to release updates, and I’m sure most people wouldn’t want to wait. In a book, movie, offline game, a strict timeline can be set without too many complications. In an online title, there are just too many variables, so we ask that you bear with our bending of space-time. It’s for the greater good!
Now back to business...
2. The answer to the second question is where we encounter our first main hiccup. Many have commented that the setting has to be Ishgard because no other Adventurers’ Guild has its own aetheryte. However, when looking closely at the guildleves that the Midlander brings back from the counter, we can see that the plates have Limsa Lominsa engraved in the frames, which can only mean that it was the thalassocracy that issued them. The reason behind the flub is fairly simple—the Visual Works team that designed the first opening movie began work on it far before the in-game layout of Limsa’s Adventurers’ Guild was finalized. By the time the map team had decided that the aetheryte was going in a separate plaza to help cut down on congestion of the Adventurers’ Guild, the CGI was too far along to change without setting the completion date back, and so they left it as-is. (This also explains the Miqo’te eye discrepancy. Nice catch, by the way!)
3. You guys hit the proverbial nail on its proverbial head in your speculation regarding what happens with the Midlander. As was stated above, all three have the power of the Echo, allowing them to experience the past, interact with it, but ultimately not change the outcome of anything important (the wind created by a battleaxe swing will not start a hurricane in Garlemald). While sifting through guildleves, our well-groomed Midlander is flung back into another person’s memory about a simple job to kill a morbol. The job ultimately takes an unexpected twist that ends in the party witnessing one of the most spectacular battles of the Sixth Astral Era.
So, then we hit out next batch of important questions:
1. Where does the Echo take the Midlander?
2. How far back does it take him?
3. What in the Seven Hells is going on?
Here is the Widow’s Cliff Notes version:
The Midlander journeys back approximately 10 years and appears in a location near Mor Dhona. After helping a party (Lalafell female, Roegadyn male, Elezen female) finish their levequest objectives (slaying the morbol), an imperial juggernaut appears before they can access the aetherial node and collect their reward. The Midlander accidentally gets tossed onto the back of one of these machines, and gets carried up into the sky, where he witnesses the Garleans fight with the dragon Midgardsormr in the Battle of Silvertear Skies. Though the great dragon is able to destroy the Garlean flagship, he perishes in the process, and the seal which he protected (guarding the concentration of aether beneath Silvertear Lake) is broken, allowing the beast tribes access to this energy, which they use to freely summon their primals (as taught to them by the mysterious paragons). The Garleans, having lost their flagship and sensing the presence of something more powerful than their remaining forces can handle, retreat back to Ala Mhigo. Meanwhile, with the fall of the Keeper of the Lake, the aetherial balance in the area gets thrown out of whack, transforming the once lush area into a crystalline wasteland—Silvertear Falls now dried up.
Some have theorized that the Midlander takes over the body of a fourth party member, and witnesses what that person saw. While an interesting theory, this, unfortunately, is not how the Echo works. There may have been a fourth member around earlier, but he was gone by the time the Midlander arrived (probably returned to his home point after getting KO’d and accidentally dropping his bow). It is because the party of three keep watching the battle (from the ground) after defeating the morbol that the Midlander is able to experience it, albeit from a better vantage point. His experience ends when he gets knocked from the juggernaut and hits the ground (because you cannot die in an Echo-induced memory).
So that brings us back to 1572.
The Midlander is obviously intrigued by what he has experienced. Up until now, he’d never partied with anyone who could wield such powerful Blizzard magicks, and he’d sure as hells never partied with anyone who could hop up onto a morbol and whack it across the head. These animations simply do not exist! And so he decides right then and there that he will search out this party of three and add them to his linkshell, so that they may adventure together in the future.
Fast forward to the Battle of Carteneau. Several moons have passed since the Midlander located the party from the past. They have all pledged their allegiance to a Grand Company, learned of the Meteor project from Cid, heard the questionable prophecies of Urianger, collected colored eggs from thieving spriggans, unlocked new jobs in cleverly named quests, slain a trio of aether-hungry primals (okay, two aether-hungry primals and one super-cuddly primal), and bested a maniacal legatus. Along the way, they lose the services of one Elezen male, but this does not detract them from taking up their blades in one final battle to save the realm from Dalamud. They fight valiantly, but not even the prayers of a thousand thousand (that’s one million) souls can contain Bahamut’s rage, and so the Archon, Louisoix, sends the party into a timeless rift, where they wait until the realm is reborn.
So yes, the Midlander male, Miqo’te female, Roegadyn male, Elezen female, and Lalafell female in the recent trailers are in fact the same ones that appeared in the 1.0 trailer! (Yes, the black mage is the Elezen female from the morbol party, not the snooty male from the Midlander’s party. The robe & hat conceal some of her more distinguishing features, and we all know there was no bust size adjustment feature back in 1.0).
But that still leaves one question—was the party an actual party, or were they merely symbols meant to represent you, the players? Well, you can breathe easy knowing they are both. They all ventured into Eorzea at the same time as you did. They all did similar quests, and lived through similar adventures. They exist as your characters exist (in a virtual world-sort of existence). The fact that you haven’t come across them is probably the same reason you haven’t come across my character, Amanda Hugginkyss (or maybe you have? /wink). They’re just somewhere else. Though, maybe you’ll stumble across their party in the future. Or maybe you won’t. How’s that for committing to an answer? -
11-20-2012, 01:54 PMFernehalwes
Okay, so for the most part, you guys had pretty much figured out what was going on through discussion. However, like a salmon laying all her eggs in one basket, the thread spawned a roe-bust cornucopia of new queries (okay, I’ll stop now...really).
I’ll try to field some of the major ones:
1. The beast tribes have their primals, so what about the 5 races? Do they have their own? Is it Siren? It’s Siren, right? It doesn’t matter if you tell me it’s not Siren, I know it’s Siren. (Please tell me it’s Siren...)
This is a touchy subject. I can tell you that you’ve done a remarkable job of picking up a lot of the subtle hints that were dropped in the 1.0 story (the Ifrit diatribe being an excellent example), but the story was served to you incomplete (in addition to being served over a period of two years), and so you’ve been left to fill in the blanks yourselves. This has lead to a lot of unnecessary confusion, and fixing this for ARR has been one of the main things that Yoshi-P has been preaching to the new quest team. In other words, release more info, with fewer gaps in-between, so that players can better follow the story. So what we’ll see happen in ARR is an influx of quests that try to paint a better picture of what was going on in 1.0. That means, for info regarding this ‘another’ of which Ifrit speaks and the ‘paragons’ who supposedly taught the beast tribes how to summon the primals, you’ll have to wait until ARR begins.
What I have been allowed to say is, the Sanguine Sirens are different from the sirens which are mentioned in the blacksmith/armorer class quests, and both are different from Siren of Final Fantasies past (who has not been mentioned in-game). And then there's the provisional artwork that was recently released...
So wait, does this mean there is no Siren primal? Well, that remains to be seen. :)
2. Is that Leviathan in Limsa Lominsa’s opening?
No, that is not Leviathan. It’s a sea serpent. This is explained (somewhat convolutedly) in the Limsa Lominsa storyline. The sahagins do still worship Leviathan, and he being their primal, it is only a matter of time before the fishbacks summon him to wreak some havoc on the thalassocracy.
But! But! In It Kills with Fire it is mentioned that the Company of Heroes slew Leviathan! Yes, the CoH did slay him, and have been doing primal raids ever since they started appearing. But as you all found out fighting Ifrit and Garuda, defeating a primal doesn’t mean the primal is dead. You’ve only caused the beast tribes to waste some of their precious crystal supplies in summoning the primal again.
3. What are the Ascians and what do they represent?
ARR will feature more on these guys, so for now you’ll have to be content with knowing there’s more to know... Anonymoose made a good point in bringing up that Ascian means ‘shadowless’. Perhaps you might find something interesting if you go back through the 1.0 cutscenes and look for people without shadows...
4. Do the Twelve exist? Are the Archons from the Circle of Knowing actually the Twelve? Are the primals and the Twelve one in the same (er, twelve in the same)?
More info on the gods of Eorzea and how both the Twelve and the primal fit into the whole celestial scheme of things will be revealed in ARR, but even then things will remain hazy. I mean, it’s religion. It’s hazy by design. In one age, a guy who single-handedly kills a microchu to save a girl is a good Samaritan. The story gets told by a thousand different people, each time changing just a little, but each time becoming more epic (the microchu becomes an ochu, the ochu becomes ten ochus, the girl becomes a princess, and so-on). In the next age, he’s a hero. In the next, he’s a saint. In the next, he’s a god, smiting ochus with levinbolts from high atop a snowy peak. And what of those people who possess magic or technology that is beyond the comprehension of the commonfolk? Would they not appear as gods? And what about those powerful entities who fancy themselves as gods, and use people gullible enough to follow them to obtain what they desire (power, gold, etc.)? And what of the actual gods, who normally don’t give a hoot about the ants crawling about their realms, but will intervene when it amuses them? Hopefully the story in ARR will help categorize who falls into what slot.
I can mention why primals are referred to as primals, though. It is not because they are underdeveloped, younger deities, but because the beast tribes tend to believe that they were the ones who created them, the world, and everything. They are the primal forms of existence.
5. What happened to Atmos?
Thanks to the havoc wreaked on the planet’s aetherial flow by good old Dalamud (Bahamut) the rift between Hydaelyn and the void (which up until now had been small, and reserved to places like Dzemael Darkhold) grew extremely large in that turbulent period of time leading up to the Battle of Carteneau. This allowed far more, far larger, and far more powerful enemies a free pass into Eorzea—a hotbed of aetherial energy, also known as a voidsent’s favorite snack. Atomos was one of these creatures. So, what happened to him? That remains to be seen in ARR.
6. Do the dragons of Dravania worship a primal? And if so, who? Is it Nidhogg? Midgardsormr? Someone else?
Yoshi-p dropped a few bombs last week revealing that both Midgardsormr and Nidhogg were not primals, but dragon ‘kings.’ However, he also revealed that the dragons are a beast tribe...and that beast tribes have their own gods (primals)... So...
7. When did Eorzeans start using the Garlean term of "beastmen" that allowed it to become a perfectly acceptable term attracting absolutely no backlash by the time we start playing the game? And if this term could be so well engrained, why aren't we calling the primals "eikons" with equal willingness? It seems a bit of a contradiction.
It depends on who you ask. The people of Ul’dah, who have branded the beast tribes as an ultimate threat (as their presence infringes on profits) are more likely to side with the Empire’s take on the issue, and resort to racial epithets conveniently provided by the empire via propaganda (fliers from the sky, hired rabble rousers, etc). On the other hand, there are those (like Minfilia and others on the Path, or the Ashcrown Consortium) who seek peaceful relations with the tribes. These are more likely to use terms such as primal over eikon. And then there are those who float about in the middle, and simply haven’t given it much thought—kind of like my grandfather who probably wasn’t what I’d call a ‘racist,’ but ended up using terms (that we now deem racist) throughout his life just because that’s what the people around him used.
In conclusion (man, was this post a doozy!), remember that Eorzea is filled with misinformation. This can be expected in a semi-medieval world that lacks proper channels of communication. Most news is passed through a filter of individuals who mangle the original story, remembering only what pertains to them, and making up the rest. This is what makes searching for the truth fun. You have to sit back and sift through the dirt and rocks to find those nuggets of gold. Do you believe Urianger or the people who call him a liar? Do you believe that the Archons are avatars of the Twelve because a crazy girl with spriggan friends dreamt it was true? Battling the red herrings can be quite the challenge, but the reward for defeating them is always worth it.
Until next time!
PS: After looking at the ‘interesting’ lyrics posted by Anonymoose, I just realized that we have yet to release the official transcript of the song Answers. I've spoken with Yoshi-p, and given him the EN lyrics. Supposedly he'll be posting both the EN and JP later today. Huzzah! -
11-20-2012, 01:57 PMWarlock
Holy Guacamole O.o!
EDIT: Thankyou very much for your time Fernehalwes :D lots of good juicy information ^_^b
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11-20-2012, 02:26 PMTeakwood
Ferne you've always been my hero but you are -extra special- my hero now. :D
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11-20-2012, 02:34 PMIcecylee
Ferne, it's nice to know that they have people so into what the team is doing with the world/story working on it, that they'll actually take time out of their more than likely incredibly busy days to answer some of our questions like that. So thanks a ton for that, and you're a pretty awesome dude.
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11-20-2012, 02:39 PMFuepepe
Thank you for posting answers to some of our inquiries. This is definitely making me more excited for ARR. Keep up the great work!
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11-20-2012, 02:49 PMNiqoteHehe... Someone spent time in Vana'dielQuote:
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11-20-2012, 03:26 PMWarlock
Wait a minute >_< Ferne didn't answer if the creature in the CE cover is indeed Garuda or not... :( someone summon him again!!
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11-20-2012, 03:50 PMJacien
Read the entire thing. Gonna reread again so I can brag that I know about the peeps from those cutscenes. :D
So it was the Elezen male that left. My bad. :P Now I wanna know why he left! Could there be a tweeeeest in the plot? Could he... have joined the Empire?
Would really love to see them ingame and even fight with them, or against them in a PvP style raid. (you can thank Skyrim's newest DLC for giving the idea lol)
I also like the clarification about the Echo. So basically, you relive someone's memories as if you were there all along. But things aren't actually changed in the past, just that person's memory if they noticed. Like the kid from the ALC quest thought you were the one that helped him.
But some people are resistant to being influenced by it and will realize what you did. Like the Rival from the THM quest, or the one Seedseer in a sidequest.
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11-20-2012, 04:36 PMAnonymooseAs luck would have it, I was indeed able to have some Windurstian goods imported via my Excellent Adventure through the Atomos. How'd you know about that? /panicQuote:
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PSHHHAW. Those apologies will be stored safely in a box for a day when they are appropriate. If waiting a few days is the difference between a simple ambiguity fix and bonus lore crumblies sprinkled on top, I can wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
We're certainly willing to wait for any info that they don't want known yet. The main reason I bring issues like this one to the LOC forum at all is because they appear to be things that are meant to be clear but are not. This line, of course, wasn't very clear in this thread because we got a little anxious with the wait and decided to debate the meaning of everything but life itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
This is one thing I'd always just taken for granted; that 1572-6A was the end of the line until the End of an Era cutscene, where we transition to 0-7U (and eventually into what I assume is 5-AU for ARR). With a game year passing every 18 Earth days, there'd be only so much leeway to give before we'd be right to assume that Chronos has a hand in our biological immortality. (ALSO, LOL).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs45/f/20...ugustoSasa.jpg
Pictured: The Eorzean Timeline
And the congestion sought to be avoided by moving it out of the AG would, of course, damn to the same fate any city we could give it to in order to explain this away. Bah; render unto the incongruity gods what is the incongruity gods' ... Limsa Lominsa it is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
Ahhhhhhh - methinks that this is the key that was missing to our being able to piece it all together. From what I'd gathered from NPC chatter and quest information, Mor Dhona was clearly the center of it all; but I figured it was just a hub or origin point. I never caught onto the idea that the energy was supposed to remain there, or was constrained in any way. This piece of information about the seal allows a lot of the freedom we were given in creating explanations to be swept cleanly into the dustbin. Midgardsormr didn't possess, or monopolize the energy - he kept the cork on the bottle. Gotcha!Quote:
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I will keep this information from the in-game Anony Moose... the things he'd do...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
SUPER-cuddly. I know Moggle-Mog was sort of a one-off good-times event, but it gives me hope that maybe one day we'll see some other fun ones off on the sidelines somewhere. I see a future where there's a Goblin King who rings his frypan and tosses bombs and has some sort of terrifying firework cannon... and the music would be an homage to David Bowie, because, come on. Goblin King.Quote:
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Didn't see that one coming! I thought for sure the grumpy scowls coming from under that hat were from the same snarky grumpus we saw in the AG. I guess it would make more sense that he'd take his grumpsterness elsewhere before she would... but, still! Bested by a frowny elezen female!Quote:
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It's good enough for me! I do like running into promotional, tie-in, and cinematic characters in game, as it really anchors everything, but I can deal with just assuming we never cross paths. Wouldn't want to pull a Pyramid Head and shoe horn them in where there's no reason to.Quote:
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For some reason, I read this entire thing in the voice of that Beggin' Strips dog... As for the story pacing, I'm glad to hear Yoshi-P's put some spotlight on the issues. Pacing in Final Fantasy is always so much better with the action than the story, and if I may be so bold, there's a pretty strong correlation between those installments that are remembered most fondly and those who conscientiously dole out the info.Quote:
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As for Siren, it would make a lot things in 1.X seem like brilliant hidden gems... but, we'll see where it goes. Myself, I've grown rather fond of Catapult's crystal theory.
HNNNG - right in the credibility. I'd taken the Company of Heroes slaying into the information about the reappearance into the surprise at seeing him in the Limsa storyline was an example of the reappearance process... not in spite of it. Y'shtola mentions that this serpent is frequently mentioned... and Lominsan civilians seem to know of him, as well. Wonder what his story'll be!Quote:
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Spoken like a man who knows I play with Character Shadows off because for some builds they end up looking like one of those acid-trip GIFs... but the only color is flesh....Quote:
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YAY, REALISM!Quote:
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So, if Atomos is from the void, and required aether to manifest... Hm! That puts a new spin on several of the other voidsent! I suppose we never would have noticed if gargoyles and gryphs are required to absorb some aether to get in on reality; the rifts in the void are often in aether-rich places as is... and being small, they'd only have to knock off a few living things...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
How dark! That's going to push a few of the voidsent up my list of favorites...
I love that Eorzea even has its own "product of the times" conversation patterns... ugh, what a shame it would have been for this game to go unrealized. We've gotta help the dev-team get this game where it should be, forum-goers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
See, there's an interesting way to put it. I think a lot of us questioned what of those tales might be real, but I think that event also caused us to equate the term "Archon" with the definition "avatar of The Twelve." We've put a lot more time into questioning whether or not they're archons and not so much into whether or not archon means what we think it means...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
Thanks so much for your time, Ferne! I think these two posts really help consolidate what mysteries of 1.X were meant to be wrapped up tidy and which Yoshi-P still has designs on. It's also humbling to see such a diverse continuum of places we (and I especially) were right on, way off, and degrees of in-between. The stage is set!
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11-20-2012, 05:35 PMNoloeTazier
Thanks for the post Ferne and thanks Anonymoose for the thread, Catapult, Warlock, Zenaku and others who have gathered information and posted things that brought up great discussion topics. Now we can sit and discuss what happened to the male Elezen, maybe the Miqo really did 'grow weary of the company' and mpk'd him. :o
Wonder which artwork is in question.Quote:
What I have been allowed to say is, the Sanguine Sirens are different from the sirens which are mentioned in the blacksmith/armorer class quests, and both are different from Siren of Final Fantasies past (who has not been mentioned in-game). And then there's the provisional artwork that was recently released...
So wait, does this mean there is no Siren primal? Well, that remains to be seen.
Oh well, now to watch Cutscenes and look for shadowless people. -
11-20-2012, 05:46 PMAnonymooseTravanchet is a given... At first he appears to be nothing more than a regular serpent reaver (a member of the woken races who is truly allied with the sahagin), but it becomes clear pretty quick that this guy's got far darker allegiances. The thing is... he's clearly shadowless, travels via the starshower, and absorbed The Key into his chest using the Final Fantasy signature black and purple "dark magic." He's already been outed... but could there be others? O.OQuote:
Originally Posted by NoloeTazier
Ohhh, I love any mystery where the baddies blend in; it always leads to scenarios that make you question whether it's really the outsiders you have to worry about in the first place, or if the people on your own side are just as bad... -
11-20-2012, 06:38 PMMagnesium02Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
Wow. So much awesome information and questions answered. Thank you for all the work you put into those huge posts for us humble questers of lore
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11-20-2012, 07:33 PMZenaku
I said many time he was just a sea serpent :) i remember reading it in a quest nice to know that i was right.
So the twelve could just be normal humans race living back with magic or technology that is beyond the comprehension of the commonfolk it's pretty much a hint. I wonder what the high Elezen come to play and who there are i wonder if that the people who was the Twelve or just other high race back then. I hope we get to hear more about pass race i know grid talk about a high elezen race that i forgot to mention here but i knew there not going to be much information on them yet
Now about the part of dragons are beast tribe and they have there own primal i wonder if bahamut is there primal or if there a beast tribe of wyvern also and there primal is bahamut which if so that mean they still a primal who is a dragon missing.
And lol so the BLM was the female :( and i thought it was the male i wonder if he was just being a asshole and left or the kitty cat just piss him off so he left or other reason. i hope we get to see them in the game one day :) maybe we can have a event that there in our team and fight with us that be fun :)
So much information but then again so many question unanswered and have to wait for 2.0 :( I knew that most of the story told in FFXIV was made up by people who was told the story and only told the part they like and made up the rest. The shadow thing got me i play with it on but never really look at there shadows o.o
:) can't wait for more ffxiv have such interesting and complicated storyline more so then FFXI can't wait for me.. -
11-20-2012, 07:49 PMCatapult
Wow. Thanks, Ferne. And Moose, who has already covered most of what I wanted to say in true annonymoosy fashion. :D
I cannot "like" your posts enough.
It seems we were mostly on target with a lot of stuff, or at least someone was on target in almost every instance. Although I don't think anyone actually called the Blackmage being a her. Yeah, that one got us. Well, it smacked me about a bit at least.
I also wouldn't have called the Sea serpent =/= Leviathan one unless I had to fix that German translation. I was previously sold to the other side of that debate. :p
Ferne is taunting us about Siren.... That means it isn't Siren. ;)
I'm starting to like the "Lodestone" theory more now (I know I proposed it, but I was originally only lukewarm on it, mostly because I didn't like any of the other theories). Since we now know Midgardsomr was the proverbial Champagne Cork, the great wyrm's passing would easily become a "holy crap" moment for the Lodestone and her security. Previously guarded by Midgardsomr, she now needs new protection and lots of it.
My original theory on the results of the battle of Silvertear Skies was amusingly the opposite - that the crystaline explosion put a crude plug in naturally flowing aether to cause all that wierd stuff to happen. I'm gonna have to stew over this a bit more....
...and re-watch cut-scenes. Especially around Gridania where there has been no talk of Ascians.