Greenlight NA and EU Travel

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Originally Posted by WillIrishclover

Also i hate this term "culture clash" EU/NA isn't that different, I play on both, what culture clash? outside of different raid strats they are very very similar, this is not a JP vs NA situation. I say this to both sides both communities are very very similar the finger pointing saying "NA BAD!" or "EU BAD!" is just ridiculous to me, i play on both...they're basically the same in many many respects.

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When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Or people can just make their own PFs with their own strats, if this culture clash people are worried about is in the room with us...

I object... please No... yadda! damedayo! No dame!!!

i dont see why they are so hesitant to implement it already to be honest we can already see what will happen from what they did in OCE people will come over try abit of pf realize the ping is shit and not do it and the only people that do decide to travel will just do it for social reasons

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Originally Posted by Shistar

Rest assured EU has no interest in raiding with your PF...

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You say that now, but the fact of the matter is people will raid on whichever DC is the most popular for raiding. Most of us had no interest in raiding on Aether, but it killed Primal Ultimate raiding and left all other content hurting, tons of people moved there until they closed off the entire DC.

Just like how in EU your Light DC has dominated raids. Well. Aether is even larger than Light. There's no fighting against human nature, a lot of your raiders will live in or move to Aether, making EU a very empty place.

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Originally Posted by SalamanderIX

You say that now, but the fact of the matter is people will raid on whichever DC is the most popular for raiding. Most of us had no interest in raiding on Aether, but it killed Primal Ultimate raiding and left all other content hurting, tons of people moved there until they closed off the entire DC.

Just like how in EU your Light DC has dominated raids. Well. Aether is even larger than Light. There's no fighting against human nature, a lot of your raiders will live in or move to Aether, making EU a very empty place.

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I think you are forgetting the small detail here that DCs in the same region will have the same ping. A primal player will have no problems going to aether, but no EU player will go out of their way to raid on a DC that has +150 ms ping and doesnt allign with their timezone.

Only people who will be going to EU to raid are mostly people that are in the EU themselves but have their character on NA worlds.

Only people who will be going to Aether to raid are mostly people that are in NA themselves but have their character on EU worlds.

And they'll often struggle to get to Aether anyway because it gets locked down a lot due to how many people try to go there.

Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Only people who will be going to EU to raid are mostly people that are in the EU themselves but have their character on NA worlds.

Only people who will be going to Aether to raid are mostly people that are in NA themselves but have their character on EU worlds.

And they'll often struggle to get to Aether anyway because it gets locked down a lot due to how many people try to go there.

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Not just. All of NA East Coast has close or even better ping to EU than NA. For them, while it's not perfect latency, it's not perfect on either. If anything, something like enabling that travel would probably have some East Coast players traveling to EU rather than the opposite. It's going to take from NA, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by HereticJay

i dont see why they are so hesitant to implement it already to be honest we can already see what will happen from what they did in OCE people will come over try abit of pf realize the ping is shit and not do it and the only people that do decide to travel will just do it for social reasons

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you're so right :cool:

They really should just open up the datacenters to travel.

OCE is a good example of it going wrong. US players can travel to us, but we cant travel too them.
The result? Players wanting to play with their US Friends chose to transfer back to US instead of having their US friends travel to OCE daily.
OCE is damn near dead, there are worries that if travel away from OCE is opened it will kill the datacenter. No it wont, people are already leaving and unlike cross DC travel, its permanently transferring.
Granted its a bit difference from the US/EU situations.
OCE exists because JP players didn't like us English speaking OCE players on 'THEIR' DC and wanted us gone, so we got a Datacenter to keep them happy and out of their hair.

I have stuck by OCE despite everything and i gotta say, not being able to run content because PF and DF are dead? Isn't exactly helping my desire to keep playing.
I miss US where i could log on at 9AM or 9PM my time and it would be active, even Frontlines was active 24/7. I however don't miss the horrible ping. I couldn't raid on US and there was no way in hell id be able to own a house there, let alone a large. I can at least do both on OCE...... or well.... I can at least own a house. Cant raid if there's nobody to raid with.

Cross DC travel id consider a failed experiment due to execution not concept.
They need too either open it up to everyone, or remove it, and if JP players don't want us dirty outsiders on their DC? Simple, they can stay isolated in their little bubble and the rest of us can have fun together.

Somethings got to change for the smaller DC's to thrive, we are no longer in the day of the WoW refugee, their streamers are all trying to force GW2 now for some reason and that's where their followers have gone (And then left because that game is not remotely represented by the popular streamer experience) lol.
Anyway SE, you have datacenters crying out for help, just open DC travel too them and be done with it. Stop making excuses.

Well, if they do it, they better disable party finder for Voyagers.

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Originally Posted by Sililos

They really should just open up the datacenters to travel.

OCE is a good example of it going wrong. US players can travel to us, but we cant travel too them.
The result? Players wanting to play with their US Friends chose to transfer back to US instead of having their US friends travel to OCE daily.
OCE is damn near dead, there are worries that if travel away from OCE is opened it will kill the datacenter. No it wont, people are already leaving and unlike cross DC travel, its permanently transferring.
Granted its a bit difference from the US/EU situations.
OCE exists because JP players didn't like us English speaking OCE players on 'THEIR' DC and wanted us gone, so we got a Datacenter to keep them happy and out of their hair.

I have stuck by OCE despite everything and i gotta say, not being able to run content because PF and DF are dead? Isn't exactly helping my desire to keep playing.
I miss US where i could log on at 9AM or 9PM my time and it would be active, even Frontlines was active 24/7. I however don't miss the horrible ping. I couldn't raid on US and there was no way in hell id be able to own a house there, let alone a large. I can at least do both on OCE...... or well.... I can at least own a house. Cant raid if there's nobody to raid with.

Cross DC travel id consider a failed experiment due to execution not concept.
They need too either open it up to everyone, or remove it, and if JP players don't want us dirty outsiders on their DC? Simple, they can stay isolated in their little bubble and the rest of us can have fun together.

Somethings got to change for the smaller DC's to thrive, we are no longer in the day of the WoW refugee, their streamers are all trying to force GW2 now for some reason and that's where their followers have gone (And then left because that game is not remotely represented by the popular streamer experience) lol.
Anyway SE, you have datacenters crying out for help, just open DC travel too them and be done with it. Stop making excuses.

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OC servers fill a niche spot that doesn't really have much use. Australia does not have big enough community for dedicated data center, besides, most of them already are established on JP servers and aren't just going to ditch everything and move. What they need to do is to expand it to become SEA server and translate game into more languages, to attract audience from these countries.

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Originally Posted by Alicie

OC servers fill a niche spot that doesn't really have much use. Australia does not have big enough community for dedicated data center, besides, most of them already are established on JP servers and aren't just going to ditch everything and move. What they need to do is to expand it to become SEA server and translate game into more languages, to attract audience from these countries.

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They already have... FFXIV China and Korea exist...

I don't post on the forums but bumping this topic if there is even an iota of a chance that it helps the developers understand what an important feature cross-DC PF is for the health of the game.
The talk about of NA being able to visit EU and vice versa is a distraction. We don't need cross-region capability. We just need to be able to party finder between data centers in the same region. In 2026 (going on 2027 when the next expansion is likely to release), it is unbelievable that this game does not have a cloud server architecture and dynamically scaling instances. DC/world travel should be seamless and the developers should allocate as many resources as possible to make it happen.

As a NA player who plays on EU.

I'd rather not play with NA players - I just find NA from the outside looking in to be obnoxious and bombastic.

I prefer EU because players are mild-mannered and logical.

I don't want mix the two.

-- Not to be rude, it's just like too different culturally I think.

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Originally Posted by Nadda

I just find NA from the outside looking in to be obnoxious and bombastic.

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As EU player who used to play on NA dc, I kinda enjoyed that. The bombast and general, vaguely insulting weirdness everywhere I mean.
...But I can agree that being around too any people of X kind drains your energy reserved for social interactions so so fast.

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Originally Posted by Nadda

As a NA player who plays on EU.

I'd rather not play with NA players - I just find NA from the outside looking in to be obnoxious and bombastic.

I prefer EU because players are mild-mannered and logical.

I don't want mix the two.

-- Not to be rude, it's just like too different culturally I think.

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As an EU player who started on NA, I agree.

So I have a friend on NA (lives in America, east coast), who we've had to go to OCE to do some content with. Imagine if they could come to EU (without having to fully permanently transfer). I'd love to do casual content with them. When it comes to high-end content (Savage and Ultimate, potentially Extreme as well), I have a static that we raid together as. Not to mention, I remember when EU servers were actually in NA. When they moved the servers to EU, it was a breath of fresh air. No more am I dealing with inputs getting muddied due to high ping. Now, with 20ms ping, pretty much the instant I press a button to cast an ability, it actuates. It feels natural... Even for casual content I'd be hesitant to go to NA for it. If I'm doing something specifically with a friend, I'd prefer for them to come to EU. Of course, if they'll have a worse experience ping-wise coming to EU than I would going to NA, then I would accept it, but if it's about equal OR it's better for them to come to EU, I'd be wanting them to come here.

Now, EU isn't the holy bastion some make it out to be, like I recently had to kick out a player from a beginner-friendly static (and it was advertised as such), because they were doing things that would scare beginners off (such as whenever our beginners were at striking dummies to practice and improve to bridge the gap, this member would be there, watching them, having used world travel to come to us, not data centre travel, world travel). It was obvious their goals for the static didn't align with our static group's. So I let them go. One of the beginners we felt would be better switching to a different job as it was easier for them to pick up. This removed member saw that and decided that was the reason we kicked them (when it was the harassment, even our more experienced members felt uneasy pointing out issues with any of the members due to how this removed member would likely kick off about it). Bear in mind, this was an EU player on an EU server.

While I'm inclined to agree it happens more on NA than EU, I don't think it's as huge a difference in occurrence as some folk would like to make out. All in all, I can see this being a good thing to add, and it won't cause as many problems as one expects. People say that you can't do hard content on PF on Chaos because Light exists. I'd say you can, although I would argue it is easier on Light (if we're only wanting to fill 1 or 2 slots, we will PF it on Chaos for sure, but finding a full group, we'd go to Light. Funny thing about that, we did that recently for HoR Ex, two of us went to Light to try to prog it... It was either the entire group or all but 1 was from Chaos. Couldn't make it up!)

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

So I have a friend on NA (lives in America, east coast), who we've had to go to OCE to do some content with. Imagine if they could come to EU (without having to fully permanently transfer). I'd love to do casual content with them. When it comes to high-end content (Savage and Ultimate, potentially Extreme as well), I have a static that we raid together as. Not to mention, I remember when EU servers were actually in NA. When they moved the servers to EU, it was a breath of fresh air. No more am I dealing with inputs getting muddied due to high ping. Now, with 20ms ping, pretty much the instant I press a button to cast an ability, it actuates. It feels natural... Even for casual content I'd be hesitant to go to NA for it. If I'm doing something specifically with a friend, I'd prefer for them to come to EU. Of course, if they'll have a worse experience ping-wise coming to EU than I would going to NA, then I would accept it, but if it's about equal OR it's better for them to come to EU, I'd be wanting them to come here

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Just go to OCE and keep NA and EU separate. The fix is to make PF to include an entire regional DC meaning all servers withing a region. As a non US citizen living in the Americas, I have not played on NA DC's lately for several reasons: (1) the attitude is completely different (2) languages other than English get more visibility in EU and (3) political reasons and disrespect for who you are.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Just go to OCE and keep NA and EU separate. The fix is to make PF to include an entire regional DC meaning all servers withing a region. As a non US citizen living in the Americas, I have not played on NA DC's lately for several reasons: (1) the attitude is completely different (2) languages other than English get more visibility in EU and (3) political reasons and disrespect for who you are.

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All that is irrelevant. It's not as if people from NA will all suddenly invade EU, or like people from EU will all suddenly invade NA.

It will be more like EU players who are on NA worlds will travel to EU for ping reasons, and NA players on EU worlds will travel to NA for ping reasons. Or to play with their friend who is on the other side of the ocean. And overall that will be a minority.

The downsides people are fearing are so overblown, especially when, in many cases, the individuals who use it have an alt at the moment to solve the ping problem, but an alt is extra work for no reason.

I 100% agree. I'd probably play most of the time on EU until they fix the DDoS problem.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

All that is irrelevant. It's not as if people from NA will all suddenly invade EU, or like people from EU will all suddenly invade NA.

It will be more like EU players who are on NA worlds will travel to EU for ping reasons, and NA players on EU worlds will travel to NA for ping reasons. Or to play with their friend who is on the other side of the ocean. And overall that will be a minority.

The downsides people are fearing are so overblown, especially when, in many cases, the individuals who use it have an alt at the moment to solve the ping problem, but an alt is extra work for no reason.

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Cultural differences are totally relevant. Some American Anglophones brush off differences but they are there. NA servers have a lot more rude people too (part of cultural differences I guess). Just go play on Oceania or do what I did: create other characters. If it's ok for Japan, it should be ok for the rest of the world.

honestly yea, its time for it i just wanna play with my NA friends

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Cultural differences are totally relevant. Some American Anglophones brush off differences but they are there. NA servers have a lot more rude people too (part of cultural differences I guess). Just go play on Oceania or do what I did: create other characters. If it's ok for Japan, it should be ok for the rest of the world.

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I still don't really understand the argument you're trying to make.

Other regions than NA use auto translate a lot because there are other languages. That fact alone might quickly deter an NA player that isn't used to it - or, they'll just get used to it. But as I said, most NA players aren't going to actually leave an NA world; it's more for people who already have their main character in a region that isn't good for their ping (like you do).

As for the "not respecting who you are", that's quite vague but I can assure you there are plenty of people that respect who you are in both regions, and quite equally, people that are intolerant in both regions. For as many examples as you may find in the NA region, I can find plenty in the EU region as well. That said, I have no idea how anyone could play this game and not be respectful of differences when virtually every FC, linkshell, static, etc is diverse in my experience playing this for the last decade.

In terms of rudeness, I've experienced far more rudeness in the EU region. One time I was in Heroes' Gauntlet and they berated a poor tank for their performance the entire way through. The tank said nothing but I felt so bad being silent that I worried I'd be seen as complicit. It was sickening. Multiple normal raids and trials I've seen people just casually attack the damage output. I've never seen any of that in the NA region ever, because the NA region is extremely casual - probably because people in the US are pressured to work a lot more and thus have less time. My impression is people can be quite blunt in the EU region, although this could partially be due to English not being a native language for many and not knowing pleasantries.

Now, if we go to the raiding aspect of the NA region where people kick people? That happens in both NA and EU. You just have to join the parties with chill and pleasant descriptions to avoid those sort of people.

The justifications for blocking this are wild. Americans arn't going to flood into EU servers and Europeans arn't going to flood into NA servers. We've had Materia open to us all for years now and it rarely gets used.

As it turns out, people generally don't really like playing XIV with really high ping. The most it would be used for is people who want to go hang out with friends on their DC and it would likely cause the EU and NA marketboards to equalize. These crazy hypotheticals of communities being destroyed are already debunked just by the existence of Materia.

Additionally, EU players have been on NA servers for ages and vice versa. The Field Operations community is relatively well connected across regions already as an example as we already share strats and resources. Some of the best DRS and Bozja guide videos are made by members of the EU community and some of the best written resources are made by the NA community. This idea that we are completely separate regions and that one region is worse than the other is kinda crazy as if you just take the time to actually talk with others you'll find good people anywhere you go.

The only region that would potentially be traveling a lot between EU and NA would probably be east coast, where in some places latency to EU is already a bit better for them than to NA.

I find it kinda odd like some ppl are acting like it's impossible for us in America to make alts on every other DC including EU and Japan right? Also, apart from someone stating out loud for the first time you meet them, how do you do know all Americans are XYZ? Being born in the USA is not some monolith, as being born in the UK or Europe is neither for everyone else.

If they ever let us do DC travel between USA and UK along with EU, then I would've liked to visit my former UK friend before she quit, so now it doesn't really matter to me. However, for the majority of Americans who will find it neat for a few days then go back to crowd their main raiding server of Aether for months again because no one sane will think actually I want to experience higher ping for no reason by raiding on a certain opposite country across the pond and deal with the time zone unless they have exceptional reasons to do it for that.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

after seeing how people on many servers kinda are forced to travel to another datacenter to run content since the datacenter travel got introduced i have to say i'm against it.

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I hate this two. I think if they opened the can of worms - then they should make PF and roulette pools universal (EG no more needing to try and weasel your way into Aether to find a raid)

They should definitely open up travel between NA and EU data centers.
I know they're concerned about the "culture clash".
I agree that there's a big difference in culture between JP and the West.
But the difference between NA and EU? Yeah, there are some differences, but not that much. Certainly nowhere as much as there is between JP and the West.

Therefore, open the travel between NA and EU!

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Just go to OCE and keep NA and EU separate. The fix is to make PF to include an entire regional DC meaning all servers withing a region. As a non US citizen living in the Americas, I have not played on NA DC's lately for several reasons: (1) the attitude is completely different (2) languages other than English get more visibility in EU and (3) political reasons and disrespect for who you are.

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I'm fully aware that languages other than English get more visibility in EU servers. Heck, my static has 2 Germans, a Dutch, and a Norweigan, the other 3 (as we're only 7/8 currently) are British. And I'm grateful for that. But, I've gone to OCE to do the casual content with that friend. I hated every moment of it. Actions felt like jelly because I have horrible ping on OCE. Also, OCE players are locked to OCE. So everyone can go to OCE but they can't go anywhere else? Surely, opening it up makes sense. Also, that American is on the east coast, she would have about equal ping on EU or NA servers.

Also, I would like to correct points 1 and 3... in England (which btw, is far better served by EU servers AND is in Europe, which is the physical area where the EU servers are hosted and designed to support), point 1: the attitude is becoming more and more American (I cannot speak for the rest of Europe), and as for point 3: I see a lot of disrespect from English folk for who people are. Bear in mind, this is happening in a country in Europe. I therefore don't see what stopping the Americans accessing EU servers does to stop that, when it's already at the doorstep of European servers via English people. And yes, I'm English and live in England. And while I wouldn't be surprised if you wish England could be sawed off from Europe and tagged onto Florida, plate tectonics would certainly disagree with that. England is a part of the geography of Europe at the end of the day.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Cultural differences are totally relevant. Some American Anglophones brush off differences but they are there. NA servers have a lot more rude people too (part of cultural differences I guess). Just go play on Oceania or do what I did: create other characters. If it's ok for Japan, it should be ok for the rest of the world.

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I'm European. I have quite a few American friends and we get along just fine. The cultural differences are genuinely not as big as you claim they are. Also, I don't know about there being more rude people on NA but I can tell you EU servers have plenty of those.

I was all for this but now I think they should probably wait to see if the geopolitical world stabilizes and relations normalize so that Americans aren't attacked every time they travel to EU.

The only real way for us to greenlight it is to make a fuss like how we did with male viera and female hrothgar so it might not happen

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Originally Posted by SKAshe

I was all for this but now I think they should probably wait to see if the geopolitical world stabilizes and relations normalize so that Americans aren't attacked every time they travel to EU.

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I can't tell if you forgot the /s or if you're being serious.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

Definitely goes both ways. Some players get insanely upset over someone being unable to communicate effectively and blow it out of the water. Most people who talk about french players tell me it's, at most, a temporary inconvenience until you finish the dungeon you're on and you'll likely never see them again—unless you have the misfortune of finding them in harder content—but tbh I have found a single french player who was unable to communicate in an ultimate, and we somehow sorted that out with the help of a translator.

I can only imagine they feel that way because, if you consistently create this kind of friction by refusing to communicate in a team environment, you will inevitably run into the asshole that blows up at you sooner than later. It is not my place to judge them, but if I was a french player I'd learn a handful or basic words or at least use the auto-translate feature if I was absolutely useless at languages.

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The real reason is literally because the french are treated on a constant basis on the internet in general.

Also more generally latin language based communities tend to be more insular than anglo/nordic ones. Spanish and Italian, and others, aren't much more open if at all, the difference in XIV is that they don't have an official translation, so most of those who play can at least stomach a little english.

People tend to make sweeping generalizations about french players based only on their interactions with those who cant speak english.

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Originally Posted by Valence

The real reason is literally because the french are treated on a constant basis on the internet in general.

Also more generally latin language based communities tend to be more insular than anglo/nordic ones. Spanish and Italian, and others, aren't much more open if at all, the difference in XIV is that they don't have an official translation, so most of those who play can at least stomach a little english.

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I mean... we can communicate because I went out of my way to learn words we can both understand, and I do not doubt you did the same if English is also not your first language. So unfortunately I struggle to emphasize with the French players (and other languages) who are well aware they will be put in situations where they will end up interacting with people from all over the world and still choose to not communicate in any helpful manner... just because the game itself is in their language. But they're not the only language in the game, and they don't play in a region where only French people can be found.

I do agree blowing up at someone because they don't know English is completely uncalled for and toxic, I just wish they put a mote of effort into communication—because when we say "french people meme" you know exactly who we refer to; it's not regular French players, it's those who inconvenience the entire party or wipe them multiple times but are completely deaf to any sort of communication to make the situation better, forcing everyone to grit their teeth and hope it's over quickly.

I get why they feel the way they do, what I don't get is why they put themselves in such situations when even just a handful of words goes such a long way. Even broken English is leagues better than silence and continuing to make the same mistakes despite the entire group trying to give pointers. From an outside point of view, they just keep putting themselves in this situation by refusing to communicate even in the most basic manner which is provided in-game, the auto-translate feature. They still don't deserve to be treated rudely, obviously, it's just that your chances of being targeted by a toxic asshole multiply by 50 if you wipe the party 3 times in a row going on the 4th and refuse to listen to your teammates, someone will inevitably get frustrated, and someone might speak up in a way that is not respectful... so those of us who have some sense just try to step up where they fall short or hope someone who knows French or the relevant language can knock some sense into these people.

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Originally Posted by YumieYumiki

People tend to make sweeping generalizations about french players based only on their interactions with those who cant speak english.

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I mean, the "french player meme" is basically that specific group of people only (and specifically those who not only don't know English, but actively refuse to learn or make any attempt at communication). If someone is using that expression for all the French players regardless of their communication skills, that's not what I am referring to here.


I want to apologize in advance if what I am saying sounds rude. I re-read it a few times and tried to make it make sense, I am not blaming them for wanting to avoid toxic players—but putting all of us in the same sack only makes their isolation worse; most people are fairly chill and willing to give communication an honest try (but we need the other person to try too!) and I wouldn't be lying if I said this situation sparked my interest in learning at least a little French, if only in an attempt to bridge that gap when needed and my translator isn't getting the work done. I don't give up on struggling players easily, but it's really hard to get to this specific type of player because they just ignore you and continue as they are—wasting everyone's time in the process. So while I completely disagree with rude players deciding that yelling at the struggling French player is the best course of action, I understand the feeling behind it xD still wrong though.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

I mean... we can communicate because I went out of my way to learn words we can both understand, and I do not doubt you did the same if English is also not your first language. So unfortunately I struggle to emphasize with the French players (and other languages) who are well aware they will be put in situations where they will end up interacting with people from all over the world and still choose to not communicate in any helpful manner... just because the game itself is in their language. But they're not the only language in the game, and they don't play in a region where only French people can be found.

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You're putting the onus on french players as if they chose to end up in multilanguage parties, but what about all the people that check mark all the languages to queue? They would only need EN activated to get into 99% of the parties, yet they turn every language on.

Not saying that there isn't french people unable or unwilling to communicate into english that don't turn them all as well though, especially since finding queues with just your non EN language can be a funny experience if you're queuing for something like alliance raids anyway. But if one was just playing with their F tag only, that wouldn't matter anyway because everybody and their mothers turn on F on top of E, D and J.

Then if people still don't reply when the autotranslation dictionary is being used, that's no different from all the non french silent party members that never say a word even after an inquiry.

And finally, as I've said above, french people have a gigantic stigma and target reticle put on their back as soon as they step on the internet. If you can't see it, that's probably because you're not french. I'd be ready to bet that other forum user one page before (with an username that's telling to me) is specifically speaking from that point of view, but I apologize if I'm mistaken.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

because when we say "french people meme" you know exactly who we refer to; it's not regular French players, it's those who inconvenience the entire party or wipe them multiple times but are completely deaf to any sort of communication to make the situation better, forcing everyone to grit their teeth and hope it's over quickly.

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I've seen those in every language. Utterly silent whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Valence

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I was under the impression they turned off the matching based on language settings, since unsurprisingly certain groups such as french players would be in the minority and thus struggle to get queues? I only have E set on mine and yet I still get people with only F or D in my parties. Not that it necessarily confirms it, but I heard it was this way some time ago and I find it surprising if it's still the old way. I technically never chose to play with a French player—I do not care who I am matched with, but according to the game I never chose it, so it's kind of the same thing. One can assume that if you set all the languages on, you can't cry when surprise surprise, you get players from all languages in your party?


Indeed I am not french so I wouldn't know exactly how it feels and that is why I was apologizing if I sounded rude or out of place, I wrote my previous message from an ignorant and curious point of view; I truly can't understand it so I didn't mean to offend anyone reading this.
Even if they speak in French only, I don't care, since I can just run it through a translator and get the gist of what is being said; it's the silence + wiping us over and over again that definitely does not help their existing reputation... I'm not putting the onus on only French players, but on all who consider the rest of us toxic when they're the consistent element of friction in their parties. At some point they have to look inward and think if they are doing something wrong by carrying on as they are, either by revising mechanics when something goes wrong or communicating/listening to the team, because it's also fairly obvious when there's a silent player that reads chat and adapts even if they don't say anything in return. Even just that is enough communication for me and many others, we really just wanna get through the content without turning it into an unexpected PvP match lol

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Originally Posted by Shistar

I was under the impression they turned off the matching based on language settings, since unsurprisingly certain groups such as french players would be in the minority and thus struggle to get queues? I only have E set on mine and yet I still get people with only F or D in my parties. Not that it necessarily confirms it, but I heard it was this way some time ago and I find it surprising if it's still the old way. I technically never chose to play with a French player—I do not care who I am matched with, but according to the game I never chose it, so it's kind of the same thing. One can assume that if you set all the languages on, you can't cry when surprise surprise, you get players from all languages in your party?

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There's people who turn on all the matching language settings in the NA data centers too actually, thinking it'll somehow shorten their queues times. I wouldn't be shocked though if the same thing happens where they agree to join parties in other languages, and then get mad when they end up with people who can not speak their own.