FFXIV Dawntrail reviews are out on Metacritic

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

Why do people think a 0/10 game is equally as common or reasonable as a 10/10 game? There are way more 10/10 games than 0/10 games. No one in the history of metacritic has seriously given a game a 0/10 in good faith unless it’s like Big Rig Truckers or ET for the Atari. If there are an unusual amount of 10s it’s because people are doing that in response to 0/10 reviews.

Review aggregates should delete 0/10s since review bombing is cringe and is often done for stupid bigoted reasons, like when the last of us show was review bombed for having a gay character. If you disagree you probably like to review bomb yourself

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The way I see it, as long as it's not done by bots or fake accounts, it's not review bombing. Individual users are entitled to give whatever rating they want, there is nothing illegitimate about that.

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Originally Posted by ClayyLmao

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If y’all’s goal was to make me feel like a dumb idiot and feel like shit then congrats you succeed. I don’t know what I did to deserve everyone posting these rude images and responses at me but from all the thumbs up I will take that as my cue to take my idiotic opinions and my dumb worthless self and eff off. All I did was disagree in a pretty civil way and gave my reasons why, I guess my stupid idiotic takes are so bad though that they don’t deserve a response. Thank you for all for putting me in my place.

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

This post is comedic. All it needs is a deep-fried giant frowning emoji to make it perfect.

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

If you hate the game this much why are you even here? Why did you sink 40 bucks into it?

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Bye lolhttp://10char.png

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Bye lolhttp://10char.png

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Completely different conversation out of context, in which I explained myself and even acknowledge their points as holding weight. Definitely the same level as posting a crack pipe image and nothing else. Also it makes my weird that you are stalking me since that was like two days ago

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

Completely different conversation out of context, in which I explained myself and even acknowledge their points as holding weight. Definitely the same level as posting a crack pipe image and nothing else. Also it makes my weird that you are stalking me since that was like two days ago

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Who's stalking lmao it's literally in this thread

Now keep using up your post counts on me

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Originally Posted by AnotherHighlander

Who's stalking lmao it's literally in this thread

Now keep using up your post counts on me

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Leave me the hell alone. I don’t care about post count. Stop responding to all of my comments in conversations i didn’t start with you. I am blocking and blacklisting you

It's really a bad look for them to be trying to purge negative reviews in general on top of banning people for reposting fair and structured reviews that were removed for no good reason.

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

Again, you are in the minority for having the most literal interpretation of what a 10/10 is. By this definition no piece of art can be a 10/10 because no piece of art is perfect (except for Super Mario Galaxy 2). So why do people frequently say certain games are 10/10 for them? These people aren’t saying it is literally perfect and flawless.

And the reason 10a are more common because games we actually know about are made by competent teams of professionals, not shovelware on the Ouya store. I don’t know why people think game scores have to have a statistically perfect spread of scores. Most mainstream games are pretty good actually. If I were to go to a farmer’s market and examine every apple they sell there, only a few of them would be rotten or inedible, whereas most would be tasty apples. If someone else ate the apple and was like “man this is a perfect apple to me” I wouldn’t be all like “NO NO that is unreasonable you are biased and using the scale wrong!”.

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How do you know I am the minority?
But yes that‘s what I mean. In my opinion no piece of art can be perfect objectively. That’s why I said that giving a score is always subjective in one way or the other.
People say a game is 10/10 for them as the same reason they say it is 0/10 for them, emotion. Both scores are extremes though and none of them is more realistic then the other. I think you are right that most games tend more to a 10 instead of a 0 but not more.

Saying an apple is perfect for someone is not the same as saying a game is perfect.
An apple is not a piece piece of art, that would be more say a dish made by a 5 star restaurant were the way it was served would factor in and how the sauce was put on the meat for example.
And you know what? There are also people who give scores for that professionaly.

User scores aside, we are looking at a rough critic score thus far. Doesn't bode well for future critic reviews. Could be the worst rated expansion for xiv ever.

Metacritic have removed over 200 negative reviews now if you're wondering just how bad this is.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

User scores aside, we are looking at a rough critic score thus far. Doesn't bode well for future critic reviews. Could be the worst rated expansion for xiv ever.

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Was expecting that more critic reviews have come in after reading this comment so I checked metacritic… nope still 4

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Originally Posted by Kashou

Metacritic have removed over 200 negative reviews now if you're wondering just how bad this is.

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Maybe you should wonder how bad those reviews were
I scrolled through the user reviews yesterday, a bunch of 0/10 anti-woke review bombers.
Politically motivated reviews should be removed + a lot of them were obviously not even from ffxiv players.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Really can't put much stock in the user reviews either honestly when people are rating the entire expansion a 0 for their character not having the exact same face after the graphics update. Some are also rating positively due to story but reading further it's clear they have not even finished the story given their comments.

As ever, who cares about what other people think. Try it yourself and see if you like it. Always my way with any game. If I am not sure I will like it, I look up some gameplay or if I don't want spoilers I just wait on a decent sale and play a while after launch.

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I love how this game community love to boast around that they are the best MMORPG with high rating, but the moment they start dropping just a little it become ''Who care about other opinion, you have to be a critical thinker''

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Originally Posted by GGBBM

Maybe you should wonder how bad those reviews were
I scrolled through the user reviews yesterday, a bunch of 0/10 anti-woke review bombers.
Politically motivated reviews should be removed + a lot of them were obviously not even from ffxiv players.

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Sure, a lot of the 0 reviews might be just "SBI, Square woke, Square bad!" type of comments. I won't argue that.
Mine however was a 4/10 review and not just one sentence or two, but a complete written out review in which I explained my reasoning for my rating. I read quite a bunch of those kind of reviews, some higher some lower rated than mine, with critiques that were more than justified. And many of those disappeared aswell.
So they just delete bad reviews no matter what they say, politically motivated or not.

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Originally Posted by GGBBM

Maybe you should wonder how bad those reviews were
I scrolled through the user reviews yesterday, a bunch of 0/10 anti-woke review bombers.
Politically motivated reviews should be removed + a lot of them were obviously not even from ffxiv players.

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There's nothing wrong with "review bombing" and nothing wrong with giving bad reviews for political reasons.

I can confirm they (whoever do it) delete proper detailed negative reviews, not offensife ones. The actual score would be much much lower. They however leave all empty 10/10 reviews.
I think this is unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by Aniise

7? It's way more that are gone...PC User score has gone up to 6.7 again and 100 more negative reviews are just...poof. Gone. When I try to post mine again it says 'Sorry, your review can't be submitted right now. Please try again later.'

What a joke.

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I am looking at ps5 version of it, as they default to it, hiding pc score. For it over a day ~100 negative were removed

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Originally Posted by GGBBM

Maybe you should wonder how bad those reviews were
I scrolled through the user reviews yesterday, a bunch of 0/10 anti-woke review bombers.
Politically motivated reviews should be removed + a lot of them were obviously not even from ffxiv players.

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No, I wrote a concrete 400 words full explanation, rating every part of the game from story, to the current extremes to dungeon design - deleted.
They just delete 0 scores regardless of content.

I also created a review with a different account a view days back giving it a 10/10 writing "I think this game sucks but here is a 10 just because"

To test if they delete bad reviews, that one was not deleted, shockingly.

It’s not just 0 they removed, people above were saying how they gave 4 or around and got removed.
The actual criticism is removed

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Sure, a lot of the 0 reviews might be just "SBI, Square woke, Square bad!" type of comments. I won't argue that.
Mine however was a 4/10 review and not just one sentence or two, but a complete written out review in which I explained my reasoning for my rating. I read quite a bunch of those kind of reviews, some higher some lower rated than mine, with critiques that were more than justified. And many of those disappeared aswell.
So they just delete bad reviews no matter what they say, politically motivated or not.

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Careful there, the FF14 cultists are now coalescing around the message that people like you giving a negative review are actually all just transphobes and Metacritic is only doing its job to combat hate.

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

Was expecting that more critic reviews have come in after reading this comment so I checked metacritic… nope still 4

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There's no reason to assume new critic reviews will trend differently. Literally none.

Granted there's no reason to assume these 4 perfectly represent future reviews. But 60 or less scores being there means either the expansion merits average to low scoring or that one critic is just an anomaly. If only a handful of critics agree with them, the xpac stays the lowest rated. Enough 60 scores will bring it down even if the shills spam it with 100s, which it's looking like no one even has the courage to do thus far.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Careful there, the FF14 cultists are now coalescing around the message that people like you giving a negative review are actually all just transphobes and Metacritic is only doing its job to combat hate.

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Oh, that wouldn't even surprise me xD
I mean, if you criticize anything today, buzzwords are gonna be thrown around to delegitimize your view. Kills any kind of debate culture, really.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

There's no reason to assume new critic reviews will trend differently. Literally none.

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I mean what if… the next reviews are higher lmao

Literally 1984.

Make sure your review contains the following duckspeak.
"Media literacy, mentor, vacation, low-stakes, world-building"

I love the reviews that are like "Erm, these ignorant chuds forget this was supposed to be a low-stakes adventure, they're just mad we didn't save the world!" As if we didn't literally save every single reflection from Sphene at the end. They are literally self reporting that they didn't even play the entire expansion before reviewing it.

Heh, I think people are realizing the removed reviews. Here is a way-back from July 9th with 705 user reviews.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240707...xiv-dawntrail/

This unfortunately, I have to say "dude, trust me". Perhaps you can cross check me with the same method above. But this morning, this was at around 640 user reviews with a score of about 7.6. Now, at the time of this writing, its back to 783 and a score of 6.9.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/fina...xiv-dawntrail/

I'm all for free speech and review-bombing. If your product is good, any review bomb would be negligible. I'm interested in hearing of something good that was review-bombed to a considerable degree to no fault of the creator (so Helldivers 2 doesn't count).

Critic scores have bumped it up to 80 and 81 for PS5 and PC respectively. Looks like the gaslighting that everyone loves Wookie will continue.

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

I mean what if… the next reviews are higher lmao

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Again, you are arguing that 60 to 85 scores, which are the majority of scores so far, are anomalies, based on nothing. It's far more prudent to assume we will see more scores in that range.

You seem to be arguing some kind of conspiracy theory like these websites went out of their way to rate the xpac average.

Just because you think it's a 100, in your heart, isn't evidence that critics will suddenly change course for no reason.

And this is still accurate even considering the new scores. The overall score barely raises because the scores are still divisive, as I predicted.

Added 5 new critic reviews (critic reviews from PC and all consoles will be included). Metacritic undeleted many reviews so the user rating dropped. Main post updated.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Added 5 new critic reviews (critic reviews from PC and all consoles will be included). Metacritic undeleted many reviews so the user rating dropped. Main post updated.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

There have been people arguing with me that the only thing they deleted were transphobic/culture war/Sweet Baby BS.

Oh, I'm so going to enjoy pushing this in their face.

Well, apparently Metacritic just purged a ton of zero substance positive reviews because they seemingly realized it was a bad look to only be giving that treatment to the negative ones.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Well, apparently Metacritic just purged a ton of zero substance positive reviews because they seemingly realized it was a bad look to only be giving that treatment to the negative ones.

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That's what strikes me as odd - the 0/10 reviews with proper critique only get posted as 0/10 (rather than the 5/10 they actually are) because leaving anything higer than 0 is not an effective way of conveying discontent with the expansion. There are too many blindly loyal fans just posting "10/10 loved it".

A 5 and a 10 still rounds to 7.5, something the expansion in my opinion isn't supposed to be scored at, and so the average score is inherently skewed.

And then the actual criticism gets drowned out by the people posting 10/10 just to spite the people posting negative reviews, because (according to them) you are not allowed to be critical of something you enjoyed playing before. This only increases the amount of polarising reviews and perceived bad actors. It's a sad cycle.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Well, apparently Metacritic just purged a ton of zero substance positive reviews because they seemingly realized it was a bad look to only be giving that treatment to the negative ones.

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Frankly they should just filter all reviews with a NLP model, you either write it with substance or your review gets cut. We have the tech, CS majors literally are capable of doing this as an intern after their first year, there are so many NLP packages on Python and Python is a braindead language every first year learns nowadays.

This isn't a hard problem to solve, I hope they are not seriously doing this with manual labor.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Added 5 new critic reviews (critic reviews from PC and all consoles will be included). Metacritic undeleted many reviews so the user rating dropped. Main post updated.

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It is now a 5.4

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Originally Posted by DaveFishnomer

It is now a 5.4

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They apparently deleted a bunch of the positive spammy 10/10 reviews rofl.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Again, you are arguing that 60 to 85 scores, which are the majority of scores so far, are anomalies, based on nothing. It's far more prudent to assume we will see more scores in that range.

You seem to be arguing some kind of conspiracy theory like these websites went out of their way to rate the xpac average.

Just because you think it's a 100, in your heart, isn't evidence that critics will suddenly change course for no reason.

And this is still accurate even considering the new scores. The overall score barely raises because the scores are still divisive, as I predicted.

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I never once even close to implied that there was a conspiracy like that and I never stated it was a 100 ever. Complete straw man arguments yet no one is being rude to this guy.... this thread sucks. I hate it here

Also you argued that the score will barely raise yet it has now risen from an 76 to a 81 after just a few more reviews. Which is 5 whole points. How does this not go against your entire argument that the score would stay around where it was?

Square Enix's strongest warrior.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Square Enix's strongest warrior.

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I spent all of endwalker on here criticizing this game (Island sanctuary, job design, lack of content, etc). Some of us aren't extreme in either direction. You don't know crap about me pal. I'm seeing some of you people here who have been especially flagrant in multiple other threads quote replying people who like the expac to start an argument. And these anti-DT signatures I'm seeing are absolutely mega cringe.