(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

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Your large ain't got nothing on this Balmung medium.

....to be fair though, it is one of the most desirable plots in the game of any size :P .

id absolutely just move worlds if this is what one world is like, good god

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

id absolutely just move worlds if this is what one world is like, good god

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Only going to get worse once well lets see,

New expansion brings forth new and returning players

Not to mention Xbox players.

May the odds be ever in their favor.

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

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Your large ain't got nothing on this Balmung medium.

....to be fair though, it is one of the most desirable plots in the game of any size :P .

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That's insane. The perfect post for requesting instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

That's insane. The perfect post for requesting instanced housing.

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So people not getting a freebie LB41 on the most populated server with the most active playerbase in the entire game means we need instanced housing ?

Lmao

this guy with the "freebie" shit again lol. i've had people come back to this game or start and wonder how they'll ever get enough gil to afford a medium or a large as if any of it is free in the first place without concerning gil let alone the fact that you paid for the game and sub with real money in the first place. not even worth responding to beyond that; completely out of touch

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

That's insane. The perfect post for requesting instanced housing.

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I've been saying this. You can do the math on the bids for houses, mediums and larges and sometimes even smalls; and just by going on the average they'd have to add another 20-30 wards before there are enough for the people who want them (which would make them more desolate and liminal than they already are), nevermind that implementing it is absolutely within SE's scope. they wouldnt even have to get rid of wards but it'd make the game better for anyone with the gil to own a house they want. people wouldn't have to complain about access to workshops, and they wouldn't have to be so worried about anything they do have demoing during major content lulls.

that's definitely a worse count than ive ever seen on my server, but its still very, very obvious to me even on mine that our current system is insufficient. it goes without saying that i agree with you, though i'd have said it doesnt take much brainstorming to argue for it as a necessity despite this kind of being clear proof of it

I think the housing mirage is a fair compromise; it keeps the ward feel and some sense of exclusivity to housing while encouraging players to bid on something then just med or large.

Honestly at this point there are ALWAYS houses that go up for bid; but because the lotto is once a week; there are only 60 some lottos a year which leads to obvious frusteration as you keep bidding.

I honestly feel the lotto is TOO accessible; I do deco for folks and often times I get people requesting I do their home for them. To say nothing of houses that have been left being empty for months and players to get upset when their "home" gets demoed due to 45 DAYS! of them not going there.

The overabundance of gil has resulted in abnormal levels of inflation but not for ACTUAL homes. You can pay for a home working in a venue for a week if you wanted...its INSANE.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

I think the housing mirage is a fair compromise; it keeps the ward feel and some sense of exclusivity to housing while encouraging players to bid on something then just med or large.

Honestly at this point there are ALWAYS houses that go up for bid; but because the lotto is once a week; there are only 60 some lottos a year which leads to obvious frusteration as you keep bidding.

I honestly feel the lotto is TOO accessible; I do deco for folks and often times I get people requesting I do their home for them. To say nothing of houses that have been left being empty for months and players to get upset when their "home" gets demoed due to 45 DAYS! of them not going there.

The overabundance of gil has resulted in abnormal levels of inflation but not for ACTUAL homes. You can pay for a home working in a venue for a week if you wanted...its INSANE.

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the thing about the neighborhood feel, which i'll admit is a potentially desirable outcome, is that forcing people into it and the arbitrary system of logging in and out every 44 days in order to keep it 'exclusive' (which is a very, very dubious value IMO) is that it is diminished by the former. part of the reason neighborhoods don't really even feel like neighborhoods in so many of the wards is because people don't actually use them (amongst other things, like teleporting to your house directly eliminating what we'd normally call 'traffic').

masses of them are just kept by people who don't want to lose them or who dip their toes in housing because they have the gil and never really invest in it beyond that, and some people just want to participate in subs. you just very, very rarely ever encounter other players outside of set specific meeting spots because they just are almost never online at the same time as you, especially during content lulls.

can you imagine if wards were full of houses owned by people who actually RP, or make venues, give a hoot about socializing in general, have strong interests in decorating, and/or stay subbed due to long-term, consistent playing; etc? as opposed to, let's say, the people i mentioned earlier who log in just to preserve their house, or people who are "exclusively" about subs who probably exclusively travel between their house and the market-board and then account swap. if you remove the 'exclusivity' which is a product of the latter kind of people i'm describing amongst a general insufficient capacity for housing, would this not create an incentive for people to abandon that kind of fear altogether and just own an instanced house or instanced workshop? is it really all worth it? just for the submarines and 'exclusivity'? there are already other facets of the game these people circumvent as far as limitations are concerned, like map limits. if they're that determined, why let those people ruin it for everyone when they could still take advantage of that?

like i agree, housing mirage is a more desirable step in the right direction (is it even actually confirmed?)
but do you really believe thats the best thing to do given all that?

and speaking of inflation, wouldn't instanced housing create another entirely massive gil sink? if it costs you 50m or even more to purchase your very own instanced homestead, let's say, and EVERYONE has access to it. when it comes to MMOs managing this sort of thing, creating ways for the game to take money out of circulation is one of the way to make it more valuable, no? whereas, even in the current lottery system; if you don't win the bid, you just... go get your money. only one person actually submits their gil to our Guardians so to speak and you even get some of it back if you just let them destroy it. It's not much of a gil sink as-is, but doing it almost any other way would make most people feel cheated. if its never demo'd that money is just... gone. there's no getting it back because of real life circumstances or deliberate inactivity. its out of circulation from your personal account forever. if its tied to your account theoretically you wouldnt even need to be entitled to get it back during a server swap.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

holy wall of text batman

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The more you dig to try and justify instanced housing being a thing the funnier it gets.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

The more you dig to try and justify instanced housing being a thing the funnier it gets.

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It's pretty clear to most people that it has all the justification it needs, so if that's the kind of thing that makes you laugh then man; the bar is low. It's a shame the houses you own don't actually come with any keys otherwise you might accidentally jingle them and find that its about as entertaining

also if big words that mean things in sentences together bother you twitter might be more your speed, they have a character limit

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

I think the housing mirage is a fair compromise; it keeps the ward feel and some sense of exclusivity to housing while encouraging players to bid on something then just med or large.

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I agree with this. I think the mirage system would greatly benefit our community.

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Originally Posted by Rinoa_353

As the other have said, mansions are made to be exclusive atm but that could change in the future, especially once PS4 support is dropped in 8.0 and allow major changes to occur such as smalls and mediums being able to be upgraded to a mansion (speculating at this point). For now, the best chance to win a mansion is to try during ward expansions or when new worlds open such as the four remaining worlds of Dynamis is opened once XBOX players join next Spring. For now, you just have to keep trying and hope you win, I won my current plot in Shiro back in May, so it's possible to win out of many people.

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You don't need to drop support for that to happen. They could build a instances housing system that utilizes a workshop to upgrade side of their instanced plot/house.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

You don't need to drop support for that to happen. They could build a instances housing system that utilizes a workshop to upgrade side of their instanced plot/house.

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SE has shown time and time again that devoting resources to multiple projects results in half-baked ideas. Almost all of us don't want instanced housing; housing mirage is the happy fix for everyone who wants a larger house and the neighborhood experience. As said before, thousands of other games already have instanced housing; there's a reason we all love housing in this game and it is because it is a very rare housing system. If you want to support instanced housing, go play one of the thousands of other MMOs with instanced housing and stop trying to divert resources from a system we want further developed.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

Almost all of us don't want instanced housing

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Citation needed. I see far more support for instanced housing than ward housing, especially since most of the instanced housing supporters believe there is room for both systems.

There is no neighborhood experience with the current ward system. You can't preserve what doesn't exist.

Why deny others what they want when it would take away nothing from you?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Citation needed. I see far more support for instanced housing than ward housing, especially since most of the instanced housing supporters believe there is room for both systems.

There is no neighborhood experience with the current ward system. You can't preserve what doesn't exist.

Why deny others what they want when it would take away nothing from you?

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Yeah I need to see citation from that person too. Probably the ones they cite are the multi fc owners who only have the fcs for subs lol or to sell for absurd amounts of gil.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

SE has shown time and time again that devoting resources to multiple projects results in half-baked ideas. Almost all of us don't want instanced housing; housing mirage is the happy fix for everyone who wants a larger house and the neighborhood experience. As said before, thousands of other games already have instanced housing; there's a reason we all love housing in this game and it is because it is a very rare housing system. If you want to support instanced housing, go play one of the thousands of other MMOs with instanced housing and stop trying to divert resources from a system we want further developed.

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Citation as I don't think you talking for the whole of the game. A large portion would love instanced housing. Why you think everyone was excited for island sanctuary. They all thought it was a chance at finally having a house of their own

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Citation as I don't think you talking for the whole of the game. A large portion would love instanced housing. Why you think everyone was excited for island sanctuary. They all thought it was a chance at finally having a house of their own

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And all of us who love this game for housing already knew that wouldn't happen. Anyone hoping it was an alternate system to housing was on some serious copium.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Citation needed. I see far more support for instanced housing than ward housing

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Get off the forums once in a while.

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Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim

Get off the forums once in a while.

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Take ya own advice. I see way more support for instanced housing in the community then more wards. People knows what happens when more wards are added.

A huge example of housing issue is dynamis. We got xbox being added and lord forbid any of them are on dynamis. They have zero shot at any plot cause so many made alts to snatch up housing

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

And all of us who love this game for housing already knew that wouldn't happen. Anyone hoping it was an alternate system to housing was on some serious copium.

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Except we already have instanced housing. Apartments exist. Your house interior exists.

It would not be a stretch for SE to expand on it. The wards could still exist so you would still have what you want. A better instanced housing system would exist so others could have what they want.

Again, why be so petty when you would lose nothing other than the ability to go "ha ha I have a house and those people don't"? You could easily change it to "ha ha I have a ward house and those people don't", not that they would care that you have one nor that they don't.

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Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim

Get off the forums once in a while.

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Whoa, who spit in your Cheerios this morning?

Unhappy that I disagreed with you in a different thread?

Welcome to the adult world, where people have differing opinions. Perhaps you should get off the forums if you can't handle that.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

A huge example of housing issue is dynamis. We got xbox being added and lord forbid any of them are on dynamis. They have zero shot at any plot cause so many made alts to snatch up housing

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There are plenty of available plots on Dynamis. True that mediums and larges are hard but there are lots of available smalls. The Xbox players there shouldn't have any problem getting a house once they meet purchase requirements.

I feel sorrier for those who chose to set up their accounts on the other NA data centers. They're going to have a much more difficult time getting a house if they want one.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

A huge example of housing issue is dynamis. We got xbox being added and lord forbid any of them are on dynamis. They have zero shot at any plot cause so many made alts to snatch up housing

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You mean the currently 11.747 available Houses and the upcoming 36.000 Houses (for the already announced additional 4 Worlds) on Dynamis? Sure for those who want to stick on overcrowded Servers its true. For all others? Not really.
I would even bet 1M Gil that we will get another Housingarea beside the already existing 5.

We may even see that the Xbox Version of FF14 is just a waste of ressources which should be allocated to the game itself cause this platform barely exists in JP / EU.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

You mean the currently 11.747 available Houses and the upcoming 36.000 Houses (for the already announced additional 4 Worlds) on Dynamis? Sure for those who want to stick on overcrowded Servers its true. For all others? Not really.
I would even bet 1M Gil that we will get another Housingarea beside the already existing 5.

We may even see that the Xbox Version of FF14 is just a waste of ressources which should be allocated to the game itself cause this platform barely exists in JP / EU.

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Fairly unlikely we're going to end up getting those 4 additional worlds any time soon. YoshiP said they've put that on hold because there isn't any current need.

But yes, Dynamis still has thousands of houses currently available, not to mention another 7,200 in wards 25-30 that have never been opened for purchase. I suspect we might see that happening in May after the new Xbox players have had a chance to get through ARR and earn the gil needed to purchase a house.

As for a new housing district, I don't expect that until 8.1. If there were one planned for Dawntrail, they would have already said something. If the player population explodes, we'll probably get a few more wards on each world but that's it.

The Xbox version of the game has not been a waste. There is a large number of Xbox players asking for help in NN already and it's still on free trial. The number is going to increase with the official launch coming up this week.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Fairly unlikely we're going to end up getting those 4 additional worlds any time soon. YoshiP said they've put that on hold because there isn't any current need.

But yes, Dynamis still has thousands of houses currently available, not to mention another 7,200 in wards 25-30 that have never been opened for purchase. I suspect we might see that happening in May after the new Xbox players have had a chance to get through ARR and earn the gil needed to purchase a house.

As for a new housing district, I don't expect that until 8.1. If there were one planned for Dawntrail, they would have already said something. If the player population explodes, we'll probably get a few more wards on each world but that's it.

The Xbox version of the game has not been a waste. There is a large number of Xbox players asking for help in NN already and it's still on free trial. The number is going to increase with the official launch coming up this week.

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Yeah I found it crazy that he didn't mention housing even once across FOUR staged events.

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Originally Posted by lennit

the only problem i see with large houses , there too cheap for how many there are to offer

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100000x this.

There are not nearly enough "sinkholes" in the game to remove gil from circulation resulting in many billionaires that as a result of compounding wealth will see their fortunes grow on a massive scale. So when a FC lot comes out and that billionaires FC bids; every soul in the FC also bids; most FC's do not have 2 billion gil on hard to place 40 bids on a large.

It is still beating a dead horse... if you don't got a house get an easier house to get to begin with... you can later on try to move up the tier... however you will really not lose out on anything... and if anything make all cottages medium or something instead, but without the basement.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

It is still beating a dead horse... if you don't got a house get an easier house to get to begin with... you can later on try to move up the tier... however you will really not lose out on anything... and if anything make all cottages medium or something instead, but without the basement.

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I think this is where the "Mirage Housing" idea that came up would be helpful. Small on the outside, spend millions of gil to upgrade to a mansion on the inside.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

I think this is where the "Mirage Housing" idea that came up would be helpful. Small on the outside, spend millions of gil to upgrade to a mansion on the inside.

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Lets hope its a real Gil Sink then. Even 20M or 50M for upgrading it is too cheap nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Lets hope its a real Gil Sink then. Even 20M or 50M for upgrading it is too cheap nowadays.

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I definitely wouldn’t expect it to be more than an actual large plot! Or large building permit as it were… you’re still getting a small plot, whatever the interior is. The plot price is based on its location in the wards. After all, if it works like everyone is assuming and/or hoping, this is basically the “consolation” prize for the fact that there aren’t enough mediums and larges in the game. For my part, I just hope it opens the door to more interior customization.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

I think this is where the "Mirage Housing" idea that came up would be helpful. Small on the outside, spend millions of gil to upgrade to a mansion on the inside.

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Has Square confirmed yet that Mirage is actually going to be interior space upgrades? The last I heard was that it was just going to let you change the starting interior walls and staircases.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Has Square confirmed yet that Mirage is actually going to be interior space upgrades? The last I heard was that it was just going to let you change the starting interior walls and staircases.

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They haven't confirmed what it will have one way or the other yet. They've only talked about what features they're hoping they'll be able to implement.

I honestly do not expect any more to be said about it until the first Live Letter for whatever patch it will be introduced (hopefully 7.1 but I won't bet on it).

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

They haven't confirmed what it will have one way or the other yet. They've only talked about what features they're hoping they'll be able to implement.

I honestly do not expect any more to be said about it until the first Live Letter for whatever patch it will be introduced (hopefully 7.1 but I won't bet on it).

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I actually expect housing to undergo more technical and administrative changes in Dawntrail before whatever comes in 8.0; I think Mirage will likely be something we get during a "lull" in content.

yeah like, apartments were mentioned and:

1.) tbh not a lot of people even know about them. I found out that they exist as a concept when another FC member told me about it. Houses get all the buzz, and of course in wards they're visible too. It's easy for the uninitiated to assume that the Big Building That Is Clearly Made By The Devs is set-dressing, or a building dedicated to logistics for housing.

2.) They are intensely tiny. I have mine decorated to the gills and I would love to have a separate bathroom and bedroom. As is I have to use paper screen items to attempt to sequester it into "personal" and "public" spaces.

3.) And of course, you can't use outdoor items at all with them.

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I saw someone compare housing to Ultimates earlier and I think that is ridiculous. It'd be the equivalent to getting items as quest rewards/fate rewards/tribal vendor that could only be used in Ultimates. The issue with housing is that the game is constantly reminding you of a feature you are locked out of solely because of RNG and its inherent limited availability. If you want to do an ultimate, you grab some people and go die repeatedly. If you want to do housing, it is even more RNG than fishing is, and even worse, it is competitive RNG, because unlike with something like fishing it's not the server you're battling against to get what you want, it's other players. Which just increases the negative vibes of it all.

I also saw earlier a claim that like, people who don't care about housing want instanced housing? I mean, IMO it's hard to care about something that appears fundamentally unobtainable to you - it's a self-feeding cycle of "I can't get that thing so I'll go do something else" -> claims of limited demand, so nothing gets fixed, repeat for ten years. Implement instanced housing like someone said earlier - with like, fantastical venues, or hell, even locations that don't have housing - and give people more granular perms and I think they'll lose their minds over it. Customizeable, if janky, stuff like adventurer plates and especially portraits have taken off in the relatively short time they've been around, so the desire for self-expression is there.

To be fair it used to be hard to come by 20million gil.

Waaay back 10 years ago, the idea of owning a large was impossibe. But also back then, dungeons didn't drop money. You had to sell all the items in the dungeon to get money. It was a different time.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Waaay back 10 years ago, the idea of owning a large was impossibe. But also back then, dungeons didn't drop money. You had to sell all the items in the dungeon to get money. It was a different time.

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It was only impossible if you were new to the game.

The original prices for houses were an attempt to purge more of the gil that legacy players had carried over from 1.0 out of the player economy. There were plenty of players able to afford them if they wanted one.

Once SE decided that housing had gotten as much of that legacy gil as it was going to be able to get, they began reducing prices to help out those new to the game.

Hello everyone. I want to buy a large house for 1 year now, on Twintania EU, the situation is very hard for most of players. I suggest making a new system for houses. What I have in mind is a progressive upgrade system for users from a small house, to a medium one and then to a large one. everything will be paid with gil and the exterior scheme of the house will be done inside each house by an specific npc. It is the only system that will work for everyone. Of course, not everyone will be able to afford the upgrade, but when users get their economy up, they will be able to do it in future. The endless opening of new residential areas is not a viable solution! Please listen to us, the players who want something more revolutionary for 2024 and future. The game must evolve for the better and the players must be satisfied, that's why we pay the game and the monthly fee. I know it's hard for IT engineers, but I hope a viable solution will arrive in the future.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart and i hope that this problem will be solved as soon as possible considering that new players will appear in the game on the next expansion and the problem will become much more difficult. The system of houses in the game must be upgraded as soon as possible. Thank you once again and I greet you with all respect.

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Originally Posted by BiblicallHeal

Hello everyone. I want to buy a large house for 1 year now, on Twintania EU, the situation is very hard for most of players. I suggest making a new system for houses. What I have in mind is a progressive upgrade system for users from a small house, to a medium one and then to a large one. everything will be paid with gil and the exterior scheme of the house will be done inside each house by an specific npc. It is the only system that will work for everyone. Of course, not everyone will be able to afford the upgrade, but when users get their economy up, they will be able to do it in future. The endless opening of new residential areas is not a viable solution! Please listen to us, the players who want something more revolutionary for 2024 and future. The game must evolve for the better and the players must be satisfied, that's why we pay the game and the monthly fee. I know it's hard for IT engineers, but I hope a viable solution will arrive in the future.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart and i hope that this problem will be solved as soon as possible considering that new players will appear in the game on the next expansion and the problem will become much more difficult. The system of houses in the game must be upgraded as soon as possible. Thank you once again and I greet you with all respect.

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They already announced they are looking into this and called it housing "mirage". We don't know how easy it will be to implement with existing in-game systems. We don't know if they can even do it. They haven't told us anything other than they are looking into it.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

They already announced they are looking into this and called it housing "mirage". We don't know how easy it will be to implement with existing in-game systems. We don't know if they can even do it. They haven't told us anything other than they are looking into it.

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Given how they would need to redesign the spaces for upgrading a house to a mansion. And the word "Mirage" I think its going to be a interior specific change.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Given how they would need to redesign the spaces for upgrading a house to a mansion. And the word "Mirage" I think its going to be a interior specific change.

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I really feel like people should be cautiously optimistic when it comes to Mirage. People expected IS to be this instanced housing vacation paradise mixed with Stardew and that's definitely not what we got. I would not be shocked if Mirage just let you change interior pillars and staircase types so people can flip between housing district interiors.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I would not be shocked if Mirage just let you change interior pillars and staircase types so people can flip between housing district interiors.

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I expect it to be exactly that, different skins. Changing floor layouts, staircase direction, room size, pillar location, the pre-built walls in a mansion or railings would require them to change how characters collide with the interior in order for us to place housing items and walk in places where we currently can't. They way this mirage thing was commented on, it didn't sound to me like they are planning to overhaul housing interiors.