are we really going back on the whole alt account theory thing ? do you really understand how pathetic that is ? lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur
not everyone agrees with your opinion, or with his opinion, oh no the drama
There you go, posted on my main, you can be quiet about it now and stop crying that I agree with some of his opinions
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10-20-2022, 10:01 AMStormpeaks
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10-20-2022, 10:28 AMValkyrie_LennethI mean, that's kind of the arguement here isn't it? No everyone agrees with everyone else's opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by Stormpeaks
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10-20-2022, 10:29 AMStormpeaksAnd that's totally fine, however no need to attack the OP for that, you make your point, and you move on like a mature person, instead of derailing the thread like some people do. He has the right to his own opinion. Saying that for agreeing I was him on his alt account is even more pathetic, it's implying no one can agree with him except if they are one of his own chars.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 10:45 AMDeverynTheir opinion doesn't really matter because it's pretty clear that they're trolling anyway. Look at what a shitshow each of these threads turns into. No one really has any kind of respect for them or their opinion. It's the same thing again and again, hot shitty takes from someone who clearly doesn't play the game very much.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 10:47 AMStormpeaksIt turns into a shit show because of the people attacking him in every single thread.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 10:48 AMAtelier-BagurHonestly I was just curious to see how you react lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormpeaks
About as expected.
But you do really seem to always defend or white knight him a lot. It's one thing to discuss on agreeable ideas, it's another to constantly name drop him specifically when you make your responses. -
10-20-2022, 10:52 AMBaconBits
Y'all in here tweaking out while I'm recovering from getting into a fight with discount Jesus at an Arby's.
I just wanted some cheese sticks and smoked brisket man. -
10-20-2022, 10:57 AMStormpeaksThe only reason I defend him is because I think he has the right to his opinion, wrong or not does not matter, he has the right to his opinion, and he doesnt deserve to be attacked in every single thread he makes by the same clique of people because they disagree with him, saying that he uses multi accounts to agree with himself, just because they cant accept that some will agree with his opinions, saying that he doesnt deserve to have an opinion, that kind of comment is not acceptable, everyone has the right to an opinion, including him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur
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10-20-2022, 10:58 AMSassyAssassinOk Im sleepy as hell but wut? XDQuote:
Originally Posted by BaconBits
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10-20-2022, 11:03 AMBaconBitsWut is right, I did not expect to get into a fight with great value Jesus at an Arby's.Quote:
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Thank goodness buddy was small and easily throwable, I'm too out of shape to be fighting anybody. -
10-20-2022, 11:07 AMZanarkand-RonsoMy Lord, you threw hands over some Arby's Brisket and Cheese Sticks? Did you at least add some Curly Fries or a Peach Lemonaid into that mix?Quote:
Originally Posted by BaconBits
If Im going down, its with a Complete Meal. Or at least a Drink for after I win....or lose....I just want an Arby's Peach Lemonaid....I think they are good <_<;
I tried taking him seriously, then I found his takes less.....agreeable, or sensible. Depending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormpeaks
But now I dont take the guy seriously both based on some of his more recent posts, and also I doubt he even actually plays the game.
I looked at his Profile, and I see evidence that he hasn't played the game since maybe the End of Vanilla Endwalker.
So now the question is, how does he know anything if he's not playing the game? Does he have a whole nother account? Or is he just watching people and forming opinions?
I honestly dont REALLY care for an answer, because nothing will be gained or lost...moreso at this point, if he really does hate the current state of the game as he says he is, then I hope he is doing something or playing another game that he enjoys more.
Just seems miserable to constantly complain, and find nothing to enjoy. Or very little.
Also to note...he also got alot of crap because he talks in an objective manner. Like everything he says is right, even when its not.
And he talked like he speaks for everyone.
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10-20-2022, 11:11 AMBaconBitsYe I got my curly fries, but I didn't know they had Peach Lemonaid. Granted, I never look because I just get Dr. Pepper every time I go there lol.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 11:26 AMLittleArrow
I just wanted to throw my own representation in this thread, because I feel a really terrible habit that has formed for years now is people saying they represent huge groups of the playerbase when in fact, they don't.
I've been playing this game since beta, and I'm very happy with this patch and the content they've released.
1. Relic: I'm very happy with the relic quest. I'm an older gamer and I welcome Yoshida's desire to steer some content my way considering I have many real life obligations. I do not feel bad for more hardcore players, because there is content exclusively for them that is being regularly implemented. I'm happy with the easy first step and I know I'll probably drop off the relic quest once the more grindy steps come into play, and I'm fine with that. My personal confusion with the forums is it seems to be either too grindy (have to do Manderville quests) or not grindy enough (too easy with tomestone purchase).
I'm honestly at a loss at how SE could please both crowds without re-implementing Bozja / Eureka as I see that's what the real complaint here is. My advice to my fellow WoLs would be to be please be patient, they do content in cycles, and more than likely they'll implement a Bozja-like zone in the next exapansion or one after that. We all take turns in XIV, us deep dungeon crowd had to wait too.
2. Criterion / Variant Dungeons: I was extremely impressed and very happy with this content. I love the ease and controlled challenge of the dungeons. I really enjoyed getting to know Nanamo and the history of Ul'dah. I understand the complaints with the rewards, but I think they're fine for this first step into this content. I truly hope that they continue to expand upon this content and perhaps use this content as a means for leveling. Still, I've thoroughly enjoyed it and have been farming it enough solo to get my mount! I hope we get more Criterion dungeons for the other major cities (Gelmora for Gridania would be really fun to explore).
3. Content disparity: This is probably the main point I agree with OP, but definitely not the tone being portrayed. Coming from 1.x, I know what "no content" actually looks like, and this isn't it. It does seem like the team is under strain due to the release of FF16, and I commend Yoshi and his team for managing both projects. Still, I would like to see more development with the content that is being released. The time between patches does seem pretty long even though the .2 / .5 patches in between have been good so far. I completely agree more content is better.
Sidenote: I personally, hated Bozja. It felt very gated, grindy, and extremely unfriendly. Not only that, but all of those resources seem totally wasted considering it's basically dead content, imo. I don't want to play Final Fantasy 12 or Final Fantasy Bozja, I want to play FFXIV. I do understand the complaints for people not having a long term project in game to work on, and it would be nice if there was a way to provide something like that towards those players.
4. Dark Tone vs Light and Breezy: I saw this barely mentioned, but again I know that the devs check these forums and I want this feedback to get to them. This game has portrayed dead children, beaten prostitutes, sexual abuse, and much worse. I honestly hate it. I don't watch Game of Thrones, The Boyz or anything else that is so needlessly violent and horrible. I come to entertainment to get away from the evils of the world. I do not want to see that in my video games. People can throw around the rating all day, this is just my opinion. I have no idea why our society has come to a point of basically worshipping purely evil and absolutely detestable media, but it is what it is. I have this forum, so I'll fight for more restrained content every day. This is meant to be a sanctuary away from the pains of real life, not a pile in the ground for my nose to be rubbed in it.
Overall, I'd give this .5 patch an 8 / 10. I'm excited for more development with criterion dungeons and I truly hope we get the fun weapons at some point with the Hildibrand quests. -
10-20-2022, 11:28 AMhagarewut? *someone who turned in ARR relic*Quote:
Originally Posted by Nezerius
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10-20-2022, 11:30 AMAtelier-BagurWho's saying that he doesnt deserve an opinion? Just because a lot of people dont agree with him and find his takes....extremely off point doesnt mean its harassement when people call him out on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormpeaks
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10-20-2022, 11:39 AMhagareoh no, I posted an opinion on a public forum and people are attacking me with their own opinions! AAAAAAhQuote:
Originally Posted by Stormpeaks
https://media.tenor.com/lGk7Kcc7XiQA...hats-wrong.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by BaconBits
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10-20-2022, 11:40 AMkpxmanifestoThere's a difference between criticizing someone's opinion and criticizing someone personally. I feel like many people on these forums don't understand there's a fine line between the two.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 11:53 AMIkaraGreydancerMature? That's...an odd word for you to use considering you've lied on people you don't agree with in the past here. You call people defending aspects of the game various names often. You don't just go after people "attacking" OP so let's get that notion out of here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormpeaks
You can't speak of derailing when you've not contributed much of anything to the actual topic at hand so far. If people thinking you're an alt is pathetic then you labeling people you don't agree with as white knights is also pathetic. Practice what you preach or keep your mouth closed -
10-20-2022, 12:05 PMBaconBitshttps://media.giphy.com/media/dXICCcws9oxxK/giphy.gifQuote:
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10-20-2022, 12:06 PMLazariahThanks for saying this. I mostly agree with you. I've been here since ARR. I have 4 relics. Why? Most of the time the grind for the relics bores me to tears so I don't do it. To each their own and all but I hates Eureka and Bozja. I feel bad that the people who loves it don't get that this time around but at least give whatever they're trying now a chance. The first step is a nothing step. Always has been. Back in ARR we just talked to Gerold and he flat out gave us the starting weapon. That's always been the first step. So to people upset about buying it, please, have some perspective. Remember how all the others started. It's always been like this. If you'd like that to change, okay that's fine, but don't pretend like this is unusual.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleArrow
As for the Hildebrand requirement, I get it's not everyone's cup of tea. But guys, it's such a SMALL and easy requirement. You can skip the cutscenes. You don't have to pay attention. It's just another grind. I'm sorry you don't like Hildebrand but as far as requirements go this is really small.
I am loving the new Variant/Criterion dungeons. But I am in agreement that the rewards feel a bit lacking. I like the rewards currently there but it feels very low considering the replicability. Still it is content I enjoy and hope they add on to.
"Content disparity" has always existed in this game. Always. As others have said, YoshP likes giving us breaks. He doesn't expect us to no life this game. If you're unhappy, unsub. You wont hurt his feelings, I promise. Nor are you going to change his mind about the amount of content they drop.
I like light and breeze and dark. I think there's nothing wrong with the tones at all. Just my opinion of course but I like a mix. We've had plenty of heavy hitting stuff and this patch is mostly light. I think that's fine. -
10-20-2022, 12:11 PMYukimin
Great Community By The Way
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10-20-2022, 12:20 PMElizasylen
would've liked Criterion to be a source of Shines Brines and Twines tbh, feels like a wasted opportunity.
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10-20-2022, 12:23 PMMidareyukkiSo you hate Bozja because it's grindy and extremely unfriendly... despite being the most friendly version of Eureka possible? When everything you need is told to you? Where you don't need to level up, just rank up? Where Rank really just tells you that you can progress through the story and has zero bearing on whether you live or die to the mobs you face? Where you don't need to be careful because massive dragons are at chokepoints and bar you from passing to major areas? Despite the fact that grinding is what this game relies on the most? And you really do think that it was "wasted resources" when it expanded on a recently-added race? What, only Miqo'te and Au Ra get to have their races' lore explored? Didn't know, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleArrow
Your post had such an unfair assessment. "Extremely unfriendly" to whom? To the people who skipped their explanations and clicked "I understand what I must do" without reading and then regretted it? Or the people who did that without actually understanding it? I'm not saying there weren't unfriendly moments, but calling it extremely unfriendly is such a stretch it became spaghetti. Every piece of content can have unfair stuff, POTD has unfair challenges, especially in Deep Dives. Keep in mind, you're free to have your own opinion, but if you're going to try and back it up with "facts", at least be real about them.
You don't want to play FF12, that's fine. The expression "Final Fantasy Bozja" is just you showing your clear bias toward Bozja, which again, is incredibly unfair. Bozja's a part of Final Fantasy XIV as much as Lyhe Ghiah is. It's a part of the Final Fantasy franchise as much as the Tidus laugh and the Nibelheim Incident are. But keep in mind that it was Yasumi Matsuno who influenced the dev team to make FF14 the way they did? That Yoshida says that the initial runs of FF14 at least were inspired on the tone of Game of Thrones? Also what is this ridiculous "maybe I'm the only one who struggled through life" thing, do you honestly think you're that special and that only you matter? Things happen. And unfortunately what it sounds like is that you picked up a game which exhibited that sort of tone and inspiration, at least in its initial portions, and now are complaining that they exist when you could have just admitted to yourself "yeah nah, this is fun but the tone isn't for me" and called it a day. Sorry Arrow, that's YOUR personal problem, not the game's. You should have thought of that when you decided to continue. Great that the story after a while (~Stormblood) stops, but they are still going to fall back on that tone sometimes because it's what's been established.
It's not "a worship of evil". Have you ever asked people WHY they enjoy it to know with that much certainty? It's simply a different tone than the weird bubblegum disney product you apparently are craving for. If this community cared so much about the evil bit and glorified it, we wouldn't feel happy that the evildoers get punished. Nor would we feel unhappy when they don't. You clearly didn't pay attention to Bozja, then. Because one thing nobody liked was that guys like Sicinius get to live after what's revealed about him. Get over yourself if you're going to pass down judgment on it, please? One thing is you disliking content, which IS FINE, everyone here hates one content or other that someone else enjoys. But don't be this unfair to it, and don't act like you didn't have multiple chances to back off from the game when you saw the sort of tone they were establishing as early as ARR.
"I have this forum, so I'll fight for more restrained content every day. This is meant to be a sanctuary away from the pains of real life, not pile in the ground for my nose to be rubbed in it."
You're not our nanny. And no, at no point did they tell you this HAD to be a sanctuary from the pains of real life, otherwise they wouldn't have made ARR with that tone to begin with. Only someone who sees themself on one hell of a moral pedestal would say drivel like that.
Sure, have the restrained content you want, by all means, and keep in mind that the devs have since dialed the explicit suffering way down. That's a good thing. But don't act like media must be the escapist fantasy of sunshine and rainbows YOU want them to be. And don't act like you need to stick and fight against a game that does it. You don't own it. -
10-20-2022, 12:26 PMAtelier-Bagur
I like to seriously believe at this point that WoW has single-handedly brainwashed the MMO community where the expected norm is to do tedious grinding, wasting your time and getting into unfun reward loops for character progression. While this still doesnt excuse the small amount of unique rewards given for your purchases in variant/criterion dungeons, I still think the experience in doing them alongside the completion aspect of getting all the routes and unique rewards is nice enough to not warrant having to repeatedly do the content till you get sick and tired of it.
People expecting to have content that legit holds their attention till next patch seriously needs to reconsider their game time management priorities. And before I hear the tired excuse of "muh precious sub" to try to justify staying in the game then if you're having a hard time trying to even answer your reason for staying subbed then that means you clearly dont need to continue playing this game till next content patch. So far the game has done very well with that business model so no use trying to criticize something that's clearly working for the consumer and the dev team. -
10-20-2022, 12:46 PMMidareyukkiIt's not. But from someone who hasn't exactly played that many MMOs, all the MMOs I've played had their fair share of grinding as the main content, and it's a sure-fire way of making sure people stay subbed. Hell, even in games where you don't have a sub. Is there any other alternative? Because to me, yeah, grinding is normal for MMOs. WoW didn't brainwash me of that, FF14 did :p But while I can say 14 has too much grind on it, I don't think I've ever seen anything that didn't default to a grind in some way when it comes to MMOs...Quote:
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10-20-2022, 12:48 PMkpxmanifestoLmao, the irony of this cracks me up every time.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 12:54 PMMeowdyj
So what is the reward for clearing the savage version? Only more currency for already underwhelming rewards? Achievements, title?
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10-20-2022, 12:55 PMLittleArrowYou're completely right. I don't own anything. This is why, in my post, I said "this is just my opinion." I know I'm in the extreme minority, and I was never intending to represent a group of people (those who view very violent / graphic media) with my opinion. I firmly stated everything I said as my opinion as well as that I didn't understand. I don't understand. I don't need to understand. I'm simply providing feedback. I'm ok with you disagreeing with it. You can think my opinion is wrong, just like I think yours is.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 01:21 PMMidareyukkiExcept your "opinion", as you claim it, is entirely based on a false premiss. You called it "extremely unfriendly", when it is anyhing but. Especially in comparison to all the rest we've gotten that can compare to Bozja. I'm not stating that as an opinion, that's a fact, you have actual comparisons there to be made to corroborate whether it is indeed unfriendly or not. Whether you still feel like it is past it, that's an opinion. But tell me, if I came to you and said "Yoshida dresses up like a horse every night" just because I feel like he is (he just has one of those faces), wouldn't you think I was kooky?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleArrow
I don't know where you got that you're representing any group of people... at all. I said that you're saying things like you're on such a pedestal when it's not only not your job, it's also not your right to do so? Feedback can be provided in a certain way, what you want is to usurp what the creative team is doing and implement your own vision. You clearly were okay going through ARR and endured the evil, and you know how it's evolved. And you're complaining now?
And Arrow, you're the one stating stuff is an opinion, yet you approach the topic with:
Is it what it is?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleArrow
Is the game out for your blood and try to rub you on dirt?
Who told you the game had to be that sanctuary? You?
Or did you get into something with a tone that made you uncomfortable and can't admit that the issue lies in you? That the game you purchased has those elements that you cannot concile with and instead just blamed everyone else for something you couldn't accept?
And you can disagree with whether I'm right in calling you out, of course. But at least I'm not calling the sky yellow and convincing people that it is yellow on a whim.
There is no such thing as a "wrong opinion". You can't value subjectivity that way. What there is is just someone being a bit daft and getting called out. Especially when they try to pass it as "opinion".
Edit: Also, if I'm right... why are you saying you find me wrong at the end? -.w.` -
10-20-2022, 01:25 PMSoge01
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10-20-2022, 01:25 PMLazariahJesus dude you act like she murdered your cat or something. Let her have her opinion. Who cares? You are getting way to upset about this.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 01:27 PMMidareyukkiAgain, calling something that's false and preachier than a Catholic priest "an opinion" is disingenuous as all hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazariah
Maybe she did murder my cat. Who knows, it'd be my opinion.
Or maybe I just found her assessment unfair, and as she got preachy that's where I drew the line.
I ask you the same. Why do you feel compelled to reply? :P Who cares about whether I'm calling her out or not? -
10-20-2022, 01:30 PMLazariahI care because you're being a jerk to someone who doesn't remotely deserve it. Guess I shouldn't have bothered replying to you. My mistake. This will be the last time. I'll just report you instead.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 01:33 PMkpxmanifestoHahaha, it's apparent you're very new here if you think that's a solution. Welcome to the official forums.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 01:33 PMMidareyukkiHow am I being a jerk? I just called her out on being preachy. Report away, why don't you? I'll report you in turn for the exact same reason. And we'll go round and round. It's not about who deserves it or not. If I see she's being unfair, why wouldn't I call her out on it? You're calling ME out, and now you're acting like a white knight? Give me a break...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazariah
It was just one post :P Verbose, sure, but it was just one post. She replied, I replied back.
If you have a problem with what I said, that's great, sweetie. But you're going to have A LOT of issues with so many people here, let me tell ya -
10-20-2022, 01:37 PMBrill_100% agree. My schedule does not allow for a savage static. Normal content is braindead boring. Something in the middle would be perfect. I don't think that will ever happen. The dev team is so stuck in their formula, I don't think they are capable of coming up with something new.Quote:
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10-20-2022, 01:39 PMElis_Asteria
Did you forget all the other content we got in 6.2 too? Savage tier has kept me busy up all these past weeks and I'm still having fun with it
I wasn't expecting the new dungeon to be that good, and I have lots of stuff left to do + leftovers from other patches.
I don't know where you get all that time to spend on the game but I struggle to catch up, especially because I play other games too.
Just unsub for a while I guess?? I don't do it in between patches because I don't want to lose my house but if you don't like the game as it is now, no one forces you to keep playing. -
10-20-2022, 01:42 PMMangoSimulation
I believe they mentioned making relics a little easier since they noticed that it was common for people to make multiple relics and new jobs continue to be added. Also, Hildibrand is already a large barrier to entry and it's only the first stage.
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10-20-2022, 01:44 PMLazariahHildebrand is not a large barrier to entry at all. It will take you 2-3 hours max if you watch cutscenes, which BTW you can skip. That's easy peasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MangoSimulation
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10-20-2022, 01:44 PMMidareyukkiTo be fair, raiding is usually somewhat of a niche. A really big niche, mind you, and certainly one that attracts a sizeable portion of the playerbase, but it isn't something that maaany people will be focused on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elis_Asteria
6.2 also gave us:
- MSQ, obviously
- Island Sanctuary, especially if you didn't rush it
- Criterion Dungeons
- Hildibrand Quests
- Tataru's Grand Endeavor
- Beast Tribe
- "Apocryphal" stuff, like additions that aren't full-on content (Housing items and crafting stuff, new treasure maps rewards...) and tweaks to past content (like adjusting Return to Ivalice for NG+ and the new version of Character Portraits).