The Devs need a much needed thanks!

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I just want to say that reading you completely dismantle this basket case of a human being was as insightful as it was enjoyable.

Thank YOU for making the forums a better place.

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Hey, look Awesome! You've a new fan!

By the by, did you just assume Silverbane's species?! For all you know, she's a robot or an AI. Or..... le Gasp! could she be of that dreaded breed of Theodrics?! An..... ALT?!

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Hey, look Awesome! You've a new fan!

By the by, did you just assume Silverbane's species?! For all you know, she's a robot or an AI. Or..... le Gasp! could she be of that dreaded breed of Theodrics?! An..... ALT?!

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I could care less what or how they choose to identify to be quite honest. To each their own on that front.

Otherwise, it matters little what I think, but I believe it's important that these hateful sorts are spoken up against :)

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I'm all for praising them when they deserve it, as well as criticizing them when it is needed. To be honest though, it seems like a thread like this pops up every time there's some drama over a recent development decision, so it makes me wonder what the intention is.

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I like to make positive posts to help somewhat balance out the negativity. I get that the forums are where we're supposed to go to give feedback, but it seems they're overwhelmingly negative at times. It's during those times I think about making a positive post, but often don't to avoid being called a White Knight or nasty things.

I understand that something wasn't balanced properly and a couple jobs needed tweaking, but since I don't engage in that sort of content I don't fully get the gravity of the situation. From where I'm sitting, and the content I do, I'm very happy with the current state of the game and am generally positive when thinking about changes going forward. Do I think some things need to be changed? Yes (housing, I'm looking at you), but I also think the game's in the best state it's ever been in, I look forward to the future, and am grateful to CBU3 for everything they've done to-date.

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I like to make positive posts to help somewhat balance out the negativity.

I'm very happy with the current state of the game and am generally positive when thinking about changes going forward. Do I think some things need to be changed? Yes (housing, I'm looking at you), but I also think the game's in the best state it's ever been in, I look forward to the future, and am grateful to CBU3 for everything they've done to-date.

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I'm a bit more positive as of late, but this is mostly because I have seen viera get more frequent updates in regards to their hair. I will give my opinion regardless of if it's positive or not. I see no need to artificially "balance" out anything. For example, with the new mogstation outfit, I made it very clear my thoughts on them now charging a premium to fit pieces for each gender, and the removal of racial features. My opinion on the lack of quality going in. I think SE should be receiving our honest feedback on their products. If they deserve praise then give them praise, if they don't, then let's try to talk about it.

I disagree with this game being in the best state it's ever been in, I think a lot has been sacrificed over the years. Detailed talk is for another thread or threads though.

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I'm a bit more positive as of late, but this is mostly because I have seen viera get more frequent updates in regards to their hair. I will give my opinion regardless of if it's positive or not. I see no need to artificially "balance" out anything. For example, with the new mogstation outfit, I made it very clear my thoughts on them now charging a premium to fit pieces for both genders, and the removal of racial features. My opinion on the lack of quality going in. I think SE should be receiving our honest feedback on their products. If they deserve praise then give them praise, if they don't, then let's try to talk about it.

I disagree with this game being in the best state it's ever been in, I think a lot has been sacrificed over the years. Detailed talk is for another thread or threads though.

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I've been a bit more positive too. 6.2 has, at least for me, been an excellent step in the right direction after the mess that was 6.1. Still, they have a long way to go with rebuilding trust. There are many issues with the game currently, and drowning out the feedback whenever and wherever people can helps no one. Like you said, we don't need balance. We need feedback, good and bad.

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Yes, my child?

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Perfection.

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I'm a bit more positive as of late, but this is mostly because I have seen viera get more frequent updates in regards to their hair

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TwT

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I've been a bit more positive too. 6.2 has, at least for me, been an excellent step in the right direction after the mess that was 6.1. Still, they have a long way to go with rebuilding trust. There are many issues with the game currently, and drowning out the feedback whenever and wherever people can helps no one. Like you said, we don't need balance. We need feedback, good and bad.

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Yeah, not much is "wrong" in 6.2, just in need of attention at best. The worst they've done was the awkward change to Savage when classes have weird optimization paths (is it true PLDs have to skip over one Atonement to line things up?).

I think the ones that shut down feedback the most is the playerbase rather than the devs. The devs do get snarky at times (silence for Hrothgar additions, telling healers to go play Ultimate if they want a challenge...), but they at least are willing to listen. Otherwise we wouldn't have had Reaper :p

It's the players who see one tiny thing and go "BUT WHAT IF I STIRRED SH*T UP?" for absolutely no reason other than to cause chaos. Especially the ones that don't even read stuff before barging into threads. We really don't need that. People just don't know how to disagree without acting entitled, and then they're surprised that they get passive-aggressive responses. It's just a stupid loop of toxicity that, again, no one needs.

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but I believe it's important that these hateful sorts are spoken up against :)

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Are you talking about "hateful sorts" who stalk people from thread to thread looking for any excuse to post attacks on them? I.e., people like awesomeJr and SentioftheHoukai? Apparently not.

But no surprise. After all, surveys indicate that some people believe the US border is more secure than ever, and that inflation was at 0% in August, like the WH says. I don't doubt that some posters here are among those people. The human capacity for doublethink is as bad as Orwell portrayed it to be ... too bad so few people read 1984 (or Animal Farm) anymore.

On topic: thank you, devs, for the Summer Sunset Sandals. They aren't exactly what I want for my fem Vieras, but they are very nice and a step in the right direction. And they didn't cost extra!

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Are you talking about "hateful sorts" who stalk people from thread to thread looking for any excuse to post attacks on them? I.e., people like awesomeJr and SentioftheHoukai? Apparently not.

But no surprise. After all, surveys indicate that some people believe the US border is more secure than ever, and that inflation was at 0% in August, like the WH says. I don't doubt that some posters here are among those people. The human capacity for doublethink is as bad as Orwell portrayed it to be ... too bad so few people read 1984 (or Animal Farm) anymore.

On topic: thank you, devs, for the Summer Sunset Sandals. They aren't exactly what I want for my fem Vieras, but they are very nice and a step in the right direction. And they didn't cost extra!

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When you try and defend what cannot be defended, you will get attacked for it, /shrug

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The human capacity for doublethink is as bad as Orwell portrayed it to be ... too bad so few people read 1984 (or Animal Farm) anymore.

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Disregarding that not every piece of knowledge needs to be consolidated into a tome for people to understand a concept and form their own opinion on it... you do know Orwellian situations are grossly misinterpreted even by people who have read 1984, right?

That it really depends on how you view it and life and what you perceive the other side to be? It's all about self-reflection, which reading the book is no guarantee you're capable of. When it came out, you had three camps. People who saw it as a criticism of communism, people who saw it as a criticism of capitalism and people who saw it as a criticism of any extreme faction that turns to authoritarian measures. None but the author could explain for certain, and he was long dead at the time, so so much for that. And even analysing his life doesn't exactly help, because by all standards, he was upset at both socialism and capitalism. So you could just whip out whatever moral you wanted from it. Which, ironically, it too was Orwellian in a way, because it would go on to justify people's own morals rather than promote self-reflection for one's actions.

TLDR: Reading philosophy doesn't make you a guru in any way. People can be smart, use common sense and be perfectly rational and intelligent without having to prove it by being pretentious enough to read classics. And even those who do read them can easily twist the narrative and the point of the book to suit their opinions. It's not necessarily a good indicator.

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Yes, my child?

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Disregarding that not every piece of knowledge needs to be consolidated into a tome for people to understand a concept and form their own opinion on it...

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You must own a hay field somewhere, to be so quick and prolific with your strawman arguments.
You're "disregarding" something only you said, even as you say it, duckspeaker.

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you do know Orwellian situations are grossly misinterpreted even by people who have read 1984, right?

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And are you next going to give me a newsflash about how some people call anyone they disagree with a Nazi?

Besides, isn't it most likely that people misinterpreting "Orwellian" situations haven't actually read Orwell's work? E.g.: I was at a writer's conference, and in a large room packed with real and wanna-be authors, when asked to raise their hands if they'd read 1984, exactly one of those authors did so.

And even with that, do most of the few people who read 1984 also read "The Principles of Newspeak", the appendix? If not, they missed the best, most informative, part of Orwell's work.

Did you read the appendix? Can you distinguish between even double-plus good and double-plus ungood duckspeakers? (I'll wait while you search the Internet for a way to pretend you can, if you need that.)

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When you try and defend what cannot be defended, you will get attacked for it, /shrug

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Who decides what "cannot be defended" ?
A what, exactly, have I defended that falls into that category? Thanking the devs?

Not holding my breath for an answer, though.
And it's pathetic that Stormpeaks promotes attacking people, rather than refuting their arguments, on online forums.
Sign of the times.

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You must own a hay field somewhere, to be so quick and prolific with your strawman arguments.
You're "disregarding" something only you said, even as you say it, duckspeaker.

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Wow, who hurt YOU Silverbane? I'm literally just telling you "Okay, keep in mind people can be smart without needing to read." WHO ARE YOU TO INSULT ME?? The actual hell did I do to you??

Yeah no, you just proved to everyone here you're as vile as you seem. I didn't do jack and you're already throwing insults? You are not worth my time whatsoever.

What strawman? I'm telling you flat-out: "You don't need to do read stuff to actually be smart and understand things". Simple as.

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And are you next going to give me a newsflash about how some people call anyone they disagree with a Nazi?

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No? I'm just saying that you can read a book but it doesn't make you smart. I don't give a darn if you're a nazi or not, nor if you agree or disagree.
Just like having the ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

You know. Just like you have so poisonously proven!

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I'll wait while you search the Internet for a way to pretend you can, if you need that.

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Wait all you want, I really don't care about you nor anything you have to say anymore. You're awful.

And I don't care if they read X or Y. As I said, which you clearly didn't give two flying dodos to look at because you instantly got insulted over me bringing your attention to your own dumb high horse, YOU DON'T NEED TO READ ANYTHING TO UNDERSTAND STUFF.

can we get back to talking about Venat now?

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Wow, who hurt YOU Silverbane? I'm literally just telling you "Okay, keep in mind people can be smart without needing to read." WHO ARE YOU TO INSULT ME?? The actual hell did I do to you??

Yeah no, you just proved to everyone here you're as vile as you seem. I didn't do jack and you're already throwing insults? You are not worth my time whatsoever.

What strawman? I'm telling you flat-out: "You don't need to do read stuff to actually be smart and understand things". Simple as.



No? I'm just saying that you can read a book but it doesn't make you smart. I don't give a darn if you're a nazi or not, nor if you agree or disagree.
Just like having the ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

You know. Just like you have so poisonously proven!



Wait all you want, I really don't care about you nor anything you have to say anymore. You're awful.

And I don't care if they read X or Y. As I said, which you clearly didn't give two flying dodos to look at because you instantly got insulted over me bringing your attention to your own dumb high horse, YOU DON'T NEED TO READ ANYTHING TO UNDERSTAND STUFF.

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Wow, talk about an over-reaction.
As ameliaw likes to say (and no one attacks them for saying),"take you meds, buddy."

Just ignore Silver. It what I had to to do to ignore their senseless drivel.

Anyways I can give thanks to the devs for trying but there are times where their decisions are baffling. Take Living Dead for example, sure it got fixed in 6.1 but that took 7 years for them to finally do it. Same foes for Afflatus Misery. They fixed it but it took them 2 and a half years for them to do it. The way housing done is slightly better but it was such a low bar from the get go that anything change is better just by default.

At least they are trying to be more transparent with their reasoning but sometimes I really do think they can drop on the ball on it regardless.

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I think the mistake most of us made is thinking that FFXIV's community was actually good. It's just as bad as any other group once you start to dive through it's cracks.

At least it's less so in-game, that's probably the only good thing going for it and even then you can still run some problems.

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No, the FFXIV community is good. Being in game is a pleasant experience for the most part. Is it perfect? No, but then nothing is. But for the most part players are still having a good time despite the problems.

It's the forum communities, that the vast majority of players do not take part in, that have problems. Doesn't matter if it's the official forums, the subreddit or any of the other places that a small segment of the community congregates to discuss the game.

People like to talk about what is outside of their expected experience. Being happy is expected and taken for granted so it's rarely mentioned. Being unhappy is not expected and so ends up a subject of discussion, usually to vent.

And so you end up with mostly negative echo chambers. People gather together to vent, then get angry when others insert their positive opinions. Or vice versa - someone tries to start a positive discussion and those upset join it to point out they're unhappy.

People can have a hard time disagreeing in constructive fashion.

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I like to make positive posts to help somewhat balance out the negativity. I get that the forums are where we're supposed to go to give feedback, but it seems they're overwhelmingly negative at times. It's during those times I think about making a positive post, but often don't to avoid being called a White Knight or nasty things.

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Sometimes you've got to dive into the deep end. Your feelings are your feelings, regardless of those that disagree.

If their best rebuttal is "you're a white knight", why worry about what they think?

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Just ignore Silver. It what I had to to do to ignore their senseless drivel.

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And yet here you are, posting about me. That hardly counts as ignoring me.

I really wouldn't mind if the haters put me in their ignore lists, but I don't think it will happen.
They're too obsessed with me.

[Edit: You could ask them why they are obsessed with me, don't expect an honest answer.
- they probably don't really know; introspection is a skill they seem to lack.]

There's enough salt in this thread to turn animals into statues.

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Perfection.

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I predicted you two specifically, out of literally everyone, would respond to that GIF with eerily similar responses to what you did. >_>

Am I a prophet from lord Zodiark, out here predicting the future?

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You must own a hay field somewhere, to be so quick and prolific with your strawman arguments.

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Nah, he stole the hay from yours ;)

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Wow, who hurt YOU Silverbane? I'm literally just telling you "Okay, keep in mind people can be smart without needing to read."

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It's an older woman thing. My grandmother is the same way. They think that because books were the major source of information in their time, that you MUST read books to get information these days. Of course that's no longer true as the internet offers far more information than a book every could, and is far easier to access, but they're from a different time. Although, at least when my grandmother tells me that she's at least trying to be helpful even though she's wrong. Silverbane's just trying desperately flailing around screaming things like "nazi" and "1984" in an attempt to get people to side with her. After all, siding with an unhinged person is better than siding with a nazi right?

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WHO ARE YOU TO INSULT ME?? The actual hell did I do to you??

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Absolutely nothing. For all her talk about 'haters', she's a hateful person herself.

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Yeah no, you just proved to everyone here you're as vile as you seem.

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Because on the Internet forums, the only one who can truly humiliate you is you.

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Yeah, she just proved that statement to be 100% true.

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Just like having the ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

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Just ignore Silver. It what I had to to do to ignore their senseless drivel.

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And yet here you are, posting about me. That hardly counts as ignoring me.

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THAT WAS THE ONE GUY WHO WAS ON YOUR SIDE AND YOU STILL ARE MAD AT HIM LOL (EDIT: I read an 'it' between 'ignore' and 'Silver'. This way my bad. Happens to everyone and I'll admit that it happened to me this time)

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I'm a strong believer in criticizing the bad and praising the good, but sometimes in our community there's a bizarre trend of knee-jerking to deflect criticism when it starts to get serious. The forums obviously get mired in a lot of bad faith toxicity by the same handful of people who dominate the conversations everywhere, but overall; I think that good faith criticism and good faith praise can (and do) exist and are two sides of the same coin. The devs in FFXIV get a lot of things right -- but they also get a lot of things wrong, and it's important to praise them where they knock it out of the part, and offer genuine criticism where they don't without the immediate posturing that someone is either a white knight or just a terminally online complainer.

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Agreed. I'd honestly rather have the forums be a place where we can praise the devs when they deserve it, and be critical when its deserved. That's always been my position on this topic. People who praise the game aren't white knights. People who are critical aren't haters. White knights are people who go around shutting down criticism, and haters are people who complain with the intention of having the game self implode. I genuinely don't think we have too many actual haters on the forums if I have to be honest. The vast majority of the people I've encountered that are critical of the game give their feedback out of a desire that the game would improve. However, I do believe the forums do have a serious problem with white knights who pretend that forums meant for feedback are meant to be social media platforms for them to have a positive echo chamber in.

I'm a strong believer in criticizing the bad and praising the good, but sometimes in our community there's a bizarre trend of knee-jerking to deflect criticism when it starts to get serious. The forums obviously get mired in a lot of bad faith toxicity by the same handful of people who dominate the conversations everywhere, but overall; I think that good faith criticism and good faith praise can (and do) exist and are two sides of the same coin. The devs in FFXIV get a lot of things right -- but they also get a lot of things wrong, and it's important to praise them where they knock it out of the part, and offer genuine criticism where they don't without the immediate posturing that someone is either a white knight or just a terminally online complainer.

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I predicted you two specifically, out of literally everyone, would respond to that GIF with eerily similar responses to what you did. >_>

Am I a prophet from lord Zodiark, out here predicting the future?



Nah, he stole the hay from yours ;)



It's an older woman thing. My grandmother is the same way. They think that because books were the major source of information in their time, that you MUST read books to get information these days. Of course that's no longer true as the internet offers far more information than a book every could, and is far easier to access, but they're from a different time. Although, at least when my grandmother tells me that she's at least trying to be helpful even though she's wrong. Silverbane's just trying desperately flailing around screaming things like "nazi" and "1984" in an attempt to get people to side with her. After all, siding with an unhinged person is better than siding with a nazi right?



Absolutely nothing. For all her talk about 'haters', she's a hateful person herself.



Remember this:


Yeah, she just proved that statement to be 100% true.



https://c.tenor.com/SC14wFp3uUUAAAAC...-reference.gif





THAT WAS THE ONE GUY WHO WAS ON YOUR SIDE AND YOU STILL ARE MAD AT HIM LOL (EDIT: I read an 'it' between 'ignore' and 'Silver'. This way my bad. Happens to everyone and I'll admit that it happened to me this time)



Agreed. I'd honestly rather have the forums be a place where we can praise the devs when they deserve it, and be critical when its deserved. That's always been my position on this topic. People who praise the game aren't white knights. People who are critical aren't haters. White knights are people who go around shutting down criticism, and haters are people who complain with the intention of having the game self implode. I genuinely don't think we have too many actual haters on the forums if I have to be honest. The vast majority of the people I've encountered that are critical of the game give their feedback out of a desire that the game would improve. However, I do believe the forums do have a serious problem with white knights who pretend that forums meant for feedback are meant to be social media platforms for them to have a positive echo chamber in.

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if you intention is to give the development team feedback, it would really be appreciated if people could stick to that rather than wandering into ageist diatribes which have nothing to do with the topic at hand and just promote dated stereotypes. Might have been unintentional, but a few of this posts have wandered down that path not just this one).

Not to mention, all of this back and forth regarding personal vendettas. Cmon people - stick them on an "ignore" list . Some people just love to stir up sh*t, the more you respond they happier they are. Just ignore them, if anything, for the rest of us.

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Not to mention, all of this back and forth regarding personal vendettas. Cmon people - stick them on an "ignore" list . Some people just love to stir up sh*t, the more you respond they happier they are. Just ignore them, if anything, for the rest of us.

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If they have the right to call anyone who doesn't kiss SE's boot a 'hater' (not talking about giving the dev team praise when they earn it, I'm talking about dev worship), I can call them out for all of the times they've been a drama baiter. Let's be real, the critics aren't the ones who derailed the thread, we're just participating in it.

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If they have the right to call anyone who doesn't kiss SE's boot a 'hater' (not talking about giving the dev team praise when they earn it, I'm talking about dev worship), I can call them out for all of the times they've been a drama baiter. Let's be real, the critics aren't the ones who derailed the thread, we're just participating in it.

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Yet you're fueling the fire by responding in kind. The drama baiters aren't just the ones who start it - it's also the ones who keep it going.

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can we get back to talking about Venat now?

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I for one would welcome a Venat Simp thread.

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I for one would welcome a Venat Simp thread.

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Why not a merge?

Thank you, devs, for giving us Venat, a character that many fans love to love, hate, and passionately discuss.*
So much better than the cartoon villains that the Ancients/Ascian were in ARR!

*And for Emet, too, but that goes without saying.

Personally I think it's off to see people say it's ok to give praise but only when it's worth it. Folks don't seem to realize that's going to vary by the person. What you may feel is worthy of it may not be worthy to someone else. Not up to anyone else to decide what's praise worthy for someone else nor should you shut that down for anyone.

If you have the stance that folks can complain about what they want (which many here do) then it should be the same when it comes to praise.

I'd be curious to see how much ire there would be if someone genuinely made a thread thanking SE for releasing a mogstation item.

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Personally I think it's off to see people say it's ok to give praise but only when it's worth it. Folks don't seem to realize that's going to vary by the person. What you may feel is worthy of it may not be worthy to someone else. Not up to anyone else to decide what's praise worthy for someone else nor should you shut that down for anyone.

If you have the stance that folks can complain about what they want (which many here do) then it should be the same when it comes to praise.

I'd be curious to see how much ire there would be if someone genuinely made a thread thanking SE for releasing a mogstation item.

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Yeah, I do agree with you here in the sense that it is subjective to the individual. My first post here, and any subsequent post after, are all opinions. Do I believe in my own opinions? Of course, I do. Everyone does with what they feel and/or believe. My main point to start was that the intentions of the OP weren't viewed as pure and rereads of their posts sort of reaffirm my suspicion that this thread wasn't created with the best of intentions. Everyone can be thankful and praise what they feel needs thanked for and praising. I just might not agree with what is being thanked for or praised, and others might feel the same. It really does go both ways, and in the midst of all the chaos that is sometimes hard to remember, even for me. What I dislike more than anything is watching people stir the pot in an attempt to start drama or drown out the voices of others, and that's why I responded the way I did. I'm not perfect, but I do consider myself an excellent people reader. At the end of the day, I just want the game to be better, because I know it can be, so I voice my concerns. It's certainly an uphill battle around here, but I will keep trying regardless.

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I can already feel aveyond and theodoric and others rapidly mashing their keyboards to fight against this idea lol.

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I for one would welcome a Venat Simp thread.

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She has step mom vibes...

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I can already feel aveyond and theodoric and others rapidly mashing their keyboards to fight against this idea lol.

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And we've already felt you rapidly mashing your keyboard to fight against their ideas on several occasions. You're literally the king of derailing. If they derail the Venat simp thread it's only because they learned from the best.

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Thank you.

I really don't understand how she's still going around and about despite insulting half the people in this thread by this point. She really feels like a landmine. Best to do really is to just ignore that she's at all here and carry on.

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She does have a point. At some point, someone needs to do something about people like this. It's not just her harassment that's the problem, as that really does need to be reported at this point. It's the fact that we tolerate people coming over, flip the table and then when you try to set it back, they see it as an opportunity to make the situation worse. One thing I will say though is that at least she didn't throw any insults.

And honestly, saying "keep to the topic" is kind of moot anyway. At least on this thread. I mean, this is such a bait topic, isn't it? It's drama-stirring as it is. But everything's already been said, all the crap's already been thrown. There's a thread going on for people to not only express gratitude to the devs but also provide feedback as to what is actually interesting about the game that shouldn't be changed and people often take for granted. And it was born out of this thread. Both out of snark (I wanted to test and see how long it took for it to be dead in comparison to this one), but also out of a genuine concern. Because, I think it was Deveryn who said it? If not, then he's living rent-free in my head :p But I remember someone saying that there are people who work in retail and aren't appreciated at all. And I agreed. So hasn't this thread fulfilled its purpose?

This thread kind of outlives its purpose, really. It's just here to keep fuelling stupid drama that we frankly don't need.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I can already feel aveyond and theodoric and others rapidly mashing their keyboards to fight against this idea lol.

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What are you talking about? The thread is already a trainwreck, let's turn it into a funny trainwreck~!

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

What are you talking about? The thread is already a trainwreck, let's turn it into a funny trainwreck~!

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Choo-choo?

Coming back to read this thread is such a wild ride.

Oh the pedantry… here we go again, lol.

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Originally Posted by AlaineIV

Despite this last week and the amount of flak that they received, they work extremely hard to bring us a game that is much loved and enjoyed. The amount of hate I have seen this past week because a class can't do 1% more damage is absurd in the slightest, but then again that is only less than 2% of the community most likely complaining. Those that are complaining are the ones that have zero ideal what they are talking about and are only outcrying what their favorite streamer is telling them to outcry.

Again: Thank you Devs for bringing us an amazing game. I know mistakes are made, we are all human and you all do your best to fix it. I look forward to seeing what you bring in 6.25 and 6.3.

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Na bro....

https://i.imgflip.com/15gijq.jpg

When WoW's Cataclysm released and the game went off the rails the forums were filled with people who sounded just like this. Maybe if that period's detractors had been taken more seriously that game might still be worth playing and that same loud "everything is fine" group would have more than a toxic echo chamber.

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When WoW's Cataclysm released and the game went off the rails the forums were filled with people who sounded just like this.

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I'll do you one better. The old EQ forums was like this before and during WoW's initial dropped.

http://www.nomorewaffles.com/wp-cont...-instanity.jpg