Rescue needs to go away.

As long as we're turning off unwanted interaction from other players, please remove stackers/targeted AoEs as other players can get me killed through no fault of my own.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

as other players can get me killed through no fault of my own.

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Which is much easier than the rescue button to achieve (and can even happen by accident):
- When an aoe tank buster targets you, run towards teammates (panic aoes can sometimes cause this - although usualy this is a red flag)
- Simply just die as solo tank for whatever reason (standing in too much aoes so even a healer cant protect you)
- As a tank, turn off your emnity (can happen as a mispress, but often gets called out quickly, the effect is usualy delayed)
- As a healer, suddenly stop healing (can also be achieved by death)
And yes, if deliberate, these will get you kicked, just as much as abusive rescues will.

Rescue is not an issue, it at most should just become more reliable. Removing it will always be worse.

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Originally Posted by Guillermo

Yeah I guess that's most likely what happened, it's also not that often that the opportunity to use rescue presents itself, so when it does it takes me that little bit longer to realise/react I suppose

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Any time a player dies, there is a really good chance Rescue could have prevented it. This doesn't place you at fault for not using it, but there are definitely ample opportunities to use it in encounters where players are still learning. I usually say this in regards to Rescue; and far more players have died by my hesitation to use Rescue than instances where using it actually killed the player. I can admit that players voicing their gripes about "Muh positioning!" and "Muh deeps!" has deterred me from pulling their asses out of bad.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

As long as we're turning off unwanted interaction from other players, please remove stackers/targeted AoEs as other players can get me killed through no fault of my own.

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Overlapping spread markers makes me wish healers had a 'push' ability to compliment their Rescue.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

As long as we're turning off unwanted interaction from other players, please remove stackers/targeted AoEs as other players can get me killed through no fault of my own.

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Sounds like a skill issue. Your fault for being in the stack/AoE.

I agree that spread AoEs are probably the most triggering cause of player-induced death because when you're playing with randoms and no coordination there are so many ways it can go wrong.

I usually commit to running in one direction...but then sometimes other players get the same idea and it becomes a game of chicken to see who's going to try to adjust, which can further snowball into both of us trying to adjust and mirroring each other's movements by pure coincidence.

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

Sounds like a skill issue. Your fault for being in the stack/AoE.

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Sometimes it isn't really a skill issue.

I have had people run towards with me with their AOE, for some reason.

Like, I am deliberately running with my AOE into the corner of a room, far from anybody else, and then another fella with his AOE comes and stands on top of me for some baffling reason.

I think some people just get overwhelmed when it happens, so they just instinctively follow others. Still annoying, though.

Kinda like with that dungeon (forgot the name) with the box where you have to open the box to turn into an old lady so you can't be seduced. Even if you tell everybody how it works beforehand, newbies still instinctively run toward the box that somebody else has used. That part isn't tough to heal through anyway and it causes barely any damage to somebody who does get seduced, but still.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I agree that spread AoEs are probably the most triggering cause of player-induced death because when you're playing with randoms and no coordination there are so many ways it can go wrong.

I usually commit to running in one direction...but then sometimes other players get the same idea and it becomes a game of chicken to see who's going to try to adjust, which can further snowball into both of us trying to adjust and mirroring each other's movements by pure coincidence.

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Haha, two of us heading the same way and getting stuck, or me avoiding others into a tank buster. Had that happen a few times and have been saved, as a healer, from that with rescue.

Rescue is useful but players have to be so quick with it most of the time it rarely gets used. But, its still useful and I think I've only been trolled with it once or twice.

Rescue me
Oh take me in your arms
Rescue me
I want your tender charms
'Coz I'm lonely and I'm blue
I need you and your love too

Wait - what is this threat about?

This would be less of a problem if people would actually ask if it's cool to rescue on pulls and respect the tank's decision on the matter. It's barely saving a second or two on time and can be disorienting if someone's used to doing their wall-to-walls with no interference. I've been rescued at 3 yalms away and I'm just left scratching my head. People could be throwing another dot out there, but instead they want to try speed things up by a negligible amount.

inb4 someone says my speed is a problem. it's not. I've had this discussion before and we agree on the speed of pulling (2 AOE GCD with an OGCD weaved in to secure aggro on the first pack).

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

having seen how fast people accept rezzes.. having to do that to be rescued would rather defeat the whole purpose of the skill.

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I think he means an actual toggle. Like “can rescue effect you yes/no”

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

Sounds like a skill issue. Your fault for being in the stack/AoE.

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Not necessarily. Sometimes someone follows you around with their circles either as a coincidence or because they are new and see that you avoid damage and you end up being cornered. Also twice last week I got the tank buster on a dancer: once in Alzadaal's Legacy because the tank died and once in Aglaia (the tank was alive but didn’t know what he was doing). There’s no escape from that and being at full health with Shield Samba was not enough to survive.

Rescue can come in handy in some situations.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

Sometimes it isn't really a skill issue.

I have had people run towards with me with their AOE, for some reason.

Like, I am deliberately running with my AOE into the corner of a room, far from anybody else, and then another fella with his AOE comes and stands on top of me for some baffling reason.

I think some people just get overwhelmed when it happens, so they just instinctively follow others. Still annoying, though.

Kinda like with that dungeon (forgot the name) with the box where you have to open the box to turn into an old lady so you can't be seduced. Even if you tell everybody how it works beforehand, newbies still instinctively run toward the box that somebody else has used. That part isn't tough to heal through anyway and it causes barely any damage to somebody who does get seduced, but still.

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Oh, this absolutely does happen. Always have to be ready to run away from them, though or otherwise adjust for people who aren't cooperative or otherwise don't understand what to do.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Not necessarily. Sometimes someone follows you around with their circles either as a coincidence or because they are new and see that you avoid damage and you end up being cornered. Also twice last week I got the tank buster on a dancer: once in Alzadaal's Legacy because the tank died and once in Aglaia (the tank was alive but didn’t know what he was doing). There’s no escape from that and being at full health with Shield Samba was not enough to survive.

Rescue can come in handy in some situations.

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I definitely think rescue should stay. Yes, some players will do a little trolling with it. If it seemed deliberate and you're inclined to report the player for griefing, do so and move on. Most players use it for its intended purpose or not at all though.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Overlapping spread markers makes me wish healers had a 'push' ability to compliment their Rescue.

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I don't see how this could go wrong. Make it work through arms length with a short 15 second cd and it'll be great.

Can we get a skill to add vuln stacks to party/alliance members?

I save people with Rescue all the time. It's useful when you know a sprout is new to a dungeon and you know what always kills them and you see them about to be killed by it.

A random example. If you are in A10 and you see someone standing on the traps and triggering them over and over again, you can rescue them and thereby rescue the party.

It's useful even in the latest dungeon. There is a part on the first boss where you must be on a certain side, and if you run to the wrong side, you might be dead. You can save them and bring them to the correct side.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I save people with Rescue all the time. It's useful when you know a sprout is new to a dungeon and you know what always kills them and you see them about to be killed by it.

A random example. If you are in A10 and you see someone standing on the traps and triggering them over and over again, you can rescue them and thereby rescue the party.

It's useful even in the latest dungeon. There is a part on the first boss where you must be on a certain side, and if you run to the wrong side, you might be dead. You can save them and bring them to the correct side.

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Let the die and res them.

It is easier to realise which mechanics kill you if they actually kill you.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

I don't see how this could go wrong. Make it work through arms length with a short 15 second cd and it'll be great.

Can we get a skill to add vuln stacks to party/alliance members?

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A tank can quickly kill his OT if he has a physical vuln stack with Shirk. A tank can also cleave the entire group. A spiteful healer can refuse to raise a down player. Ice mage.

You might want to consider how players currently troll instead of getting all pissy about things that don't even exist.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

A tank can quickly kill his OT if he has a physical vuln stack with Shirk. A tank can also cleave the entire group. A spiteful healer can refuse to raise a down player. Ice mage.

You might want to consider how players currently troll instead of getting all pissy about things that don't even exist.

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I've played SWTOR, so yes. I'm very aware of how players troll. And also how even push would work.

Just to give an example, there is a boss in SWTOR that hit the main tank with a debuff causing the take damage from healing. It lasted after the boss died. The tank with it would become the sole focus of the healer after said boss died to kill the tank before the debuff wears off. For just the purpose of trolling. Oh and they have/had rescue work out of combat and you can fall off the open world.

Damn this post was necro'd from far back. Besides my opinion of Rescue has changed since then. People have been using it appropriately for a while since I've originally posted this.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Damn this post was necro'd from far back. Besides my opinion of Rescue has changed since then. People have been using it appropriately for a while since I've originally posted this.

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You could say the post was "rescued" into the front page of the forum.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Damn this post was necro'd from far back. Besides my opinion of Rescue has changed since then. People have been using it appropriately for a while since I've originally posted this.

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Far back? No. People where using appropriately then too. A Necro isn't less than 6 month agos on a still relevant topic that hasn't changed.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

You could say the post was "rescued" into the front page of the forum.

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*groan*

/ten characters

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

*groan*

/ten characters

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I was actually mad at myself for really liking the pun.