The Dead Ends is yet another error in the push to make everything hardcore

I fail to see how it is a controversial complaint that orange circles on an orange floor can be hard for some people to see. Months later and I still have to squint my eyes and really struggle to see some circles in this game, and the last boss of that dungeon does stand out.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Prance is cake. You only need to focus on the first circle and watch where Ra La goes after that. Go the other way and wait for the 1st to pop. I think they intentionally did it that color to present a challenge. If you get something that actually contrasts, it becomes way too easy.

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I don't find the prancing hard, I just find seeing all that yellow to be a major annoyance and as I said in my original post an eyestrain. If I ever do get a chance to get to p3 savage I am sure as hells skipping it. You can make mechanics hard to see w/o making some people's eyes bleed.

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

I don't find the prancing hard, I just find seeing all that yellow to be a major annoyance and as I said in my original post an eyestrain. If I ever do get a chance to get to p3 savage I am sure as hells skipping it. You can make mechanics hard to see w/o making some people's eyes bleed.

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That's exactly my issue with p3s and why it's my least favourite fight of the tier by a good margin and the reason I considered a shader for the first time since starting with FFXIV.
E6s was bad enough but apparently they learned nothing and designed another fight with that colour scheme even after receiving lots of feedback that all the orange-on-orange is an eyesore. I like some mechanics on p3s, not my favourite mechanic-wise but it has some good parts - but if I have a headache after a raid, it was almost always after an evening where we spent lots of time on p3s because it strained my eyes.
It's not a conscious "Aaahhh my eyes are getting burned make it stoooop" but rather a subtle, constant strain for me. And it's entirely because of the godawful colour scheme and saturation. It doesn't make the mechanics more difficult or interesting in any way, it only makes it an eyesore. That's it.

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Originally Posted by Endariel

Wait, heroes gauntlet was hard?

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First boss in Gauntlet is a pain, tbh, but doable.

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Originally Posted by redheadturk

First boss in Gauntlet is a pain, tbh, but doable.

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Last boss has a couple mechanics that are def different to most dungeon bosses, but it's only really an issue on your first run. Once you figure out to stay inside the rock pile and then that you can avoid rampage by going into one of the craters, he's fine.

My issue with the last two bosses in Dead Ends is the lack of contrast for the last one and the unclear cues to how the mechanic works for the second one until you've done it a few times.

The Dead Ends is the only dungeon to make me physically cry with emotions.

That's all I have to add, have a good day everyone.

Sorry to say but, skill issue.

I haven't wiped in dead ends doing expert roulette in months.

i don't think it's at all hard tbh... although it's weird they worked so hard to make the aoe indicators consistent across the board to the point of reworking old dugneons to use them only to then throw a bunch of brand new ones in your face at the last dungeon. why try and make them all consistent only to them spring a bunch of new ones on players?

tho for real prance is very, very easy. you get a massive amount of time and can just run to the 1st one and then walk to the 2nd, 3rd and then 4th in the order they appear. so. idk. i figured more people would complain about the 1st or the 2nd boss than the last, honestly.

It's not hard. You just need to have a bit more awareness than the average dungeon, but it's basically no different than the Shiva ice drops\Tsukuyomi's Zashiki Asobi.

I'm colourblind. Mt Gulg was hell, P3S is even worse. Prance isn't that bad. The colours may blend if you have a different sort of colourblindness, but it's got a glowy effect that makes it noticeable enough. P3S is just daft, there's no comparison.

git gud and stop whining lol

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Sorry to say but, skill issue.

I haven't wiped in dead ends doing expert roulette in months.

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This ^^^. I've only wiped when the healer isn't up to healing through the double Warm Glow.

I would like to see this dungeon and every other final MSQ dungeon moved into the MSQ roulette. I don’t really believe it belongs in the expert roulette. This is overturned for an expert and it takes longer.

It really sucks to get this in the expert roulette as I find it such a depressing dungeon. So much that I will eat the penalty for dropping it.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

I would like to see this dungeon and every other final MSQ dungeon moved into the MSQ roulette. I don’t really believe it belongs in the expert roulette. This is overturned for an expert and it takes longer.

It really sucks to get this in the expert roulette as I find it such a depressing dungeon. So much that I will eat the penalty for dropping it.

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I found that they are undertuned for an expert to be fair... But don't worry, next patch Dead ends will disappear from expert roulette.

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Originally Posted by Kazelus

I found that they are undertuned for an expert to be fair... But don't worry, next patch Dead ends will disappear from expert roulette.

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Maybe. Isn't it already overstaying its welcome? :p It seems like they're taking a different approach having more dungeons in this roulette, which is actually quite nice. I didn't care for only having 2 to pick from in ShB.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

I would like to see this dungeon and every other final MSQ dungeon moved into the MSQ roulette. I don’t really believe it belongs in the expert roulette. This is overturned for an expert and it takes longer.

It really sucks to get this in the expert roulette as I find it such a depressing dungeon. So much that I will eat the penalty for dropping it.

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Why take a penalty when you can just queue the other 3 independently? The roulette bonus just becomes excessive after a time.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Maybe. Isn't it already overstaying its welcome? :p It seems like they're taking a different approach having more dungeons in this roulette, which is actually quite nice. I didn't care for only having 2 to pick from in ShB.

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It the same as ShB for the moments, so at 6.2 expert will be Alzadaal and the brand new dungeon normally...

I wish Expert would be an unique roulette that groups all cap dungeon till the end of expansion...

Kupo, so if dead ends is not hardcore is it softcore? loool jk

It is unfortunate to see Square Enix continuing to cater to the hardcore minority even to this day.

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Originally Posted by PetThisMiqo

It is unfortunate to see Square Enix continuing to cater to the hardcore minority even to this day.

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The only part inappropriately catering to the "hardcore minority" is the changes they keep making to jobs to homogenize them. It has nothing to do with you personally being too lazy to learn how to play the game or do the actual mechanics in a duty.

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Originally Posted by Reaver1236

For players who just want to do the story, there should not be mechanics that you only see in Extreme or Savage. What is Square Enix thinking putting all these ridiculously difficult mechanics in a dungeon boss like Exaflares or the second boss's ridiculous amount of AoEs? The issue is there is no obvious tells for what the solution to the mechanics are and they are totally new so unless you look up a MrHappy or MTQ guide there's no way to know how those mechanics work. After so many people complained about Mist Dragon and The Heroes' Gauntlet how come Square Enix still insists on making dungeons harder and harder? Please stop lol

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i feel like this is a troll. you cannot be serious... the first boss can be ignored with esuna, and all other bosses by just looking. its annoying players expect to go through the dng half asleep and still clear

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Originally Posted by PetThisMiqo

It is unfortunate to see Square Enix continuing to cater to the hardcore minority even to this day.

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It's unfortunate to see you necro a dead thread which was originally started by a known forum troll for a baseless claim with no supporting evidence to make your point.

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Originally Posted by Omedon

No.

This goes deeper than dungeons ("In from the cold" anyone?), this is a big problem with the idea of "MSQ as both gate to the game *AND* a skill test." It's busted, it's escalating, and the entire concept is audacious. There comes a point where you've proven yourself and should just... get to rely on unlocking the game because it would be ridiculous to get blocked at the 11th hour.

The dead ends is a part of the problem. Less so because yes, it's group content and you COULD get carried through it, (again, see "in from the cold") but it's still a problem. After Xhundred hours in the MSQ, I should not have to be Xhundred times better to just... unlock the game! Should I just expect that the day will come in another decade where, at a decade older, my reflexes won't be able to hack the MSQ? Am I just done then? In any other game it might be reasonable, but not in an MMORPG like this.

Just my opinion.

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my god XD is the skill gap between the super casual and the average player this DEEP? i stoped struggling with the majority of dungeon mecanics after i cleared my first ex.. the only trial to even make me sweat was hydie/zod and barbie. you cannot seriously expect the game to be so easy that you dont need to make any effort to get better at it. no game is going to hand hold you and ffxiv already hand holds to a rediculous degree. im sorrry but for your own sake please make an attempt to improve at the game

^if you can’t get though the MSQ because of difficulty what content are you hoping to even unlock by finishing it

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Originally Posted by PetThisMiqo

It is unfortunate to see Square Enix continuing to cater to the hardcore minority even to this day.

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That thirsty for some troll milk huh?

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

^if you can’t get though the MSQ because of difficulty what content are you hoping to even unlock by finishing it

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lol

Good point

I just did Voidcast Dais for my msq and I think it's way too difficult for the storyline. I could see it for raiding but just trying to follow the story...ridiculous

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Originally Posted by Amealia

I just did Voidcast Dais for my msq and I think it's way too difficult for the storyline. I could see it for raiding but just trying to follow the story...ridiculous

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I'm sure there were multiple people in there carrying you to victory. It's not a problem lmao

I know this is a necrothread but since I am a relatively new player who just recently completed the Endwalker MSQ...

I got through it the first time without dying. If I can do it, literally anyone can. I mainly play DPS, and the only things in the game that I am worse at than DPS are tanking and healing. LOL

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Originally Posted by Tahbitha

I know this is a necrothread but since I am a relatively new player who just recently completed the Endwalker MSQ...

I got through it the first time without dying. If I can do it, literally anyone can. I mainly play DPS, and the only things in the game that I am worse at than DPS are tanking and healing. LOL

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I kind of liked the fact Ra'La did real damage. All the expert roulette dungeon bosses hit like a wet spung, but it's probably because of the scaling from the gear. The second someone starts doing tomestone grinding and savage, they usually are at least 20-35 item levels over the dungeon content minimum. Heck, most of the dungeons are scaled for rather low iLvLs compared to the existing iLvLs of active players.

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Originally Posted by Reaver1236

Uh no. I've wiped three times to the second boss because there are way too many AoEs that are too hard to see because they overlap each other. Also, the laser beams don't have any visual AoE indicator until it's too late, so you have to guess where to stand. The worst part is that Alphinaud can't heal you because he is too slow. I'm glad that you thought it was easy but not everyone is a hardcore elite gamer so chill with your personal attacks.

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I do actually agree with that,

Honestly these dungeons in this expansion overall are much more difficult than in previous editions. There are a lot more things that don't have visual tells, and are becoming more reminiscent of the way. So you're not wrong. They were starting to upgrade a little in difficulty in ShB, but they've taken a rather large step in that direction now, and you're also right, the Trust "healers" don't really do very well at it, shockingly the player healers are much better at it.

But I too have now seen off and on full party wipes when doing those with players on various ones, all due to the mechanics being a lot more concealed.

EDIT: Though there was one healer yesterday that could not understand there's a lot more raid wide damage in these Dungeons now, so you have to keep people topped off or it eventually wipes them. It gets noticable during things like the Stack ups where suddenly people are dying even though everyone is in it.