Of the Properties of Beastmen

Any idea where/when the 3rd non-beastman pops?

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Originally Posted by Kaishu

Nope, nobody has it.

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THank you for your information!! this is what I really wanted to know.

Now, I think I can just do this first before 25,000 seal farm. Gonna keep my GC seal until I actually know more information about it.

Got one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...nfernoSeal.png

Basically just did a quick run for 32k cause we heard people were getting drops w/ 22k runs. Pretty sure it's just a crap drop rate, and can drop from any chest. Well, 30k+ chest anyways (from what I can confirm).

And no one was in the top 20 provisioners.

So after tonight what's everyone's drop rate?

and 0/18 total for today. Not a single seal drop, every single run from 38-41k points.

Thanks SE. Right when I was hopeful that you started going in the right direction with earning stuff (like building 25k seals for the key item) instead of mostly luck based stuff, you do this. It couldn't have been a key item you get for being in a party that kills the boss, it has to be a random drop from the chest that only one person gets. And now you need 3 of them. Seriously, I know AF weapons are supposed to be hard to get. And I actually like that. I want them to be hard to get. But abysmally low drop rates coupled with spamable content does not equal difficulty.

peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Originally Posted by Sol_Aureus

and 0/18 total for today. Not a single seal drop, every single run from 38-41k points.

Thanks SE. Right when I was hopeful that you started going in the right direction with earning stuff (like building 25k seals for the key item) instead of mostly luck based stuff, you do this. It couldn't have been a key item you get for being in a party that kills the boss, it has to be a random drop from the chest that only one person gets. And now you need 3 of them. Seriously, I know AF weapons are supposed to be hard to get. And I actually like that. I want them to be hard to get. But abysmally low drop rates coupled with spamable content does not equal difficulty.

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Agree!, pleas say this 3 more times loudly.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

If I have to run Thousand Maws of Totorak 30 times to get this stupid item for AF weapons I may just drop my sub and play Diablo 3 exclusively

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Uh... Diablo is ALL about doing the same dungeons over and over until you get Phat Lewt that makes you buff 'nuff to beat the next boss, and rince and repeat.

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Originally Posted by Inzoum

Uh... Diablo is ALL about doing the same dungeons over and over until you get Phat Lewt that makes you buff 'nuff to beat the next boss, and rince and repeat.

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It's also a completely different type of game.

I'm hoping the drop rates change or something... 0/18 sounds depressing. Unless the drop rate increases dramatically if the hamlet level is 5?

I'm assuming all drop rates go up significantly at higher hamlet levels. But knowing SE, who can say for sure?

People are thinking that the new "relic" weapons come from having this 25,000 seal item plus 3 of the new seals. This means having to spam Hamlet for a 1% drop rate vs. 7 other people 3 times per weapon. Getting this to happen even once should take about as long as it takes to get every single piece of Darklight from AV/CC. I do NOT want to spam red/red/red > blue/blue/blue potions on DoL 10,000,000,000 times to finish my weapons.

If this is the case, I would be okay with it if this was only the first step towards "relic" and the weapons are weaker than a Primal weapon. Maybe if the next step is 5 more primal seals and some kind of currency, then an Odin win and something else, it would make sense. I really hope the best weapons in the game aren't being given out based on luck and spamming one boring thing for months and years.

My reaction about the latest findings:

http://i.imgur.com/w1iQX.png

We never got lvl2 Hamlet Defense so far on Ragnarok :(

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Originally Posted by Luhy

People are thinking that the new "relic" weapons come from having this 25,000 seal item plus 3 of the new seals. This means having to spam Hamlet for a 1% drop rate vs. 7 other people 3 times per weapon. Getting this to happen even once should take about as long as it takes to get every single piece of Darklight from AV/CC. I do NOT want to spam red/red/red > blue/blue/blue potions on DoL 10,000,000,000 times to finish my weapons.

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People would bitch if it was to easy people going to bitch if its to hard why not just accept it you get achievements for doing it alot just think of it as SE way of helping you get them all XD

I think its a great idea and I have never done a hamlet nor have thousands of seals to burn. Its like relics were in 11 something to set a goal and slowly work towards not slam head on till you get it.

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Originally Posted by Luhy

People are thinking that the new "relic" weapons come from having this 25,000 seal item plus 3 of the new seals. This means having to spam Hamlet for a 1% drop rate vs. 7 other people 3 times per weapon. Getting this to happen even once should take about as long as it takes to get every single piece of Darklight from AV/CC. I do NOT want to spam red/red/red > blue/blue/blue potions on DoL 10,000,000,000 times to finish my weapons.

If this is the case, I would be okay with it if this was only the first step towards "relic" and the weapons are weaker than a Primal weapon. Maybe if the next step is 5 more primal seals and some kind of currency, then an Odin win and something else, it would make sense. I really hope the best weapons in the game aren't being given out based on luck and spamming one boring thing for months and years.

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Well it has been stated that they're putting ways of "obtaining and upgrading" job-specific weapons. So for all we know is we'll give the promissory note to Gerolt then he'll tell us we need to round up rate materials for him to make it. Si then off we go to some other content to gather that. And that's for the base item.

/speculation

The rewards for Hamlet defense as well as the supply rating system as a whole seem rushed to me.

For stockpiling massive quantities of items your reward is Anima. No problem at all, I can always use Anima! Finishing a supply rating 2 battle which took a massive amount of 10M points, your reward is a constant 30 Anima. Thanks SE, but I was already full from the supply phase. Then our chests drop an amazing Dark Matter! WHOA!

Personally feel that they need to change to individual chests, rather than a group chest. I believe that would be more balanced. As well as offer more rewards from the chests. Perhaps change it too only one item reward ranging from the DM, the militia gear, fireworks, seal, Gil, and more.

Once a person gets a seal they're not going to want to participate anymore so they'll move onto the next hamlet. So unless you're doing this with a set static group your chances are zilch. The stockpiling phase isn't cheap (raptor skins over 10k now) and the rewards are just too spread out and low. May hold off until they adjust this a bit because i'm honestly not in the mood for more 10% DL drop rates x3,x8.

If this really is for AF weapons I most surely want them to be difficult to obtain but once again tedious repetition /=/ difficulty.

Still can't find that damn Ghost. :/

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Well it has been stated that they're putting ways of "obtaining and upgrading" job-specific weapons. So for all we know is we'll give the promissory note to Gerolt then he'll tell us we need to round up rate materials for him to make it. Si then off we go to some other content to gather that. And that's for the base item.

/speculation

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Actually I personally am guessing that that's not for the base item, but for the upgrade itself. The base item will be acquireable through a simple quest, I bet. Won't be as good as a primal weapon but better than a non-materia normal weapon. That'd make a lot of sense in the way the AF gear is put in the gear progression

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Originally Posted by Jamison

I'm assuming all drop rates go up significantly at higher hamlet levels. But knowing SE, who can say for sure?

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It only goes to Lv2 right now.

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Originally Posted by Skies

Actually I personally am guessing that that's not for the base item, but for the upgrade itself. The base item will be acquireable through a simple quest, I bet. Won't be as good as a primal weapon but better than a non-materia normal weapon. That'd make a lot of sense in the way the AF gear is put in the gear progression

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It wouldn't make sense when looking at what is needed to obtain the item so far and will also contradict the little information we have on the weapons through interviews saying they were planning on them being powerful. Thus coming back to giving you a head ache to obtain.

The 25k seals is the easy part.