3.56 MSQ Discussion (SPOILERS)

I have a question about the time line here regarding Yda and Lyse. If the real Yda died 6 years ago where does that put her life and death into perspective in regards to the events from 1.0 to 2.0 exactly? Was the Yda from 1.x the real Yda or not?

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Originally Posted by seraf

I have a question about the time line here regarding Yda and Lyse. If the real Yda died 6 years ago where does that put her life and death into perspective in regards to the events from 1.0 to 2.0 exactly? Was the Yda from 1.x the real Yda or not?

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You'll get answers on both sides, but I don't think the game has given us any indication that we've ever seen anyone other than Lyse as Yda. The calamity was 5 years ago (yes, still; time doesn't pass in MMOs for reasons of practicality), they picked 6 years to make it explicit that it was before we ever met Yda. And the game strongly implies the actual Yda was a lot different than Lyse (all the scions immediately knew she was an impostor), and 1.0 Yda was just as ditzy and absent-minded as ever.

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

Is it just me or did Gotetsu reminds me of Gilgamesh AKA Greg.

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A bit, but more like different sides of the same coin. Gilgamesh's seriousness doesn't come across as particularly sincere, and he's also more the clumsy oaf big guy.

Gosetsu feels more like the boisterous but competent big guy - the guy that plays hard and fights hard...and one you actually want fighting by your side.

I'm disappointed overall. Not that the plot wasn't great but this was the last big send off before SB and all we got was one instanced battle (though I was watching gosetsu like a hawk to see the battle animations), some cool revelations, and one decent battle cutscene.

While watching it my first thought was "I wish I could be having that much fun right now." It wasn't a bad patch, just underwhelming.

they didn't want give much alway to you

i wonder if it be Enstien who be dragoon instructor for now on I wonder what happen to him

My guess we may not be battling Omega in the interdimensional rift raid..... at least not yet, but we might be using it to travel there, since I doubt there's any other way to get in there.

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Originally Posted by seraf

I have a question about the time line here regarding Yda and Lyse. If the real Yda died 6 years ago where does that put her life and death into perspective in regards to the events from 1.0 to 2.0 exactly? Was the Yda from 1.x the real Yda or not?

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Timeline is a bit odd in FF14 because until the game actually says so, the timeline doesn't move forward. It is this weird 'time bubble'. I wish they would stick to a specific timeline for exactly this reason though.

As far as we can tell Lyse has been the Yda you have known since you meet her in 1.x, specifically I think when you first meet the Circle of Knowing when they face down Giaus. However the Yda from all the Echo visions in 1.0 was the real Yda. Yda died just prior to the calamity trying to smuggle refugees out of Ala Mhigo and the lore book mentions the Circle making such an attempt just prior to the events of 1.x in which the Garleans got wind of it and 'a lot of people died'.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

You'll get answers on both sides, but I don't think the game has given us any indication that we've ever seen anyone other than Lyse as Yda. The calamity was 5 years ago (yes, still; time doesn't pass in MMOs for reasons of practicality), they picked 6 years to make it explicit that it was before we ever met Yda. And the game strongly implies the actual Yda was a lot different than Lyse (all the scions immediately knew she was an impostor), and 1.0 Yda was just as ditzy and absent-minded as ever.

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We see the original Yda in echo visions and honestly its hard to tell the difference. I think the two sisters were actually pretty similar in a lot of ways. As for the Archons, its not hard that they would pick up on it. The all knew the original Yda. Y'shtola was actually a close friend. What was more surprising is that Lyse actually thought she could fool them considering she must have been quite a bit younger than her sister. Its also worth noting the original Yda was also someone who was a poor scholar but excelled in physical disciplines.

As far as the WoL goes though, they have never truly met Yda in the flesh. It as always been Lyse. The only time the WoL may have interacted with Yda was in the weird time travel echo visions from 1.0.

"Her" face is cute,all right.

Obmeme:
Omega couldn't beat Shinryu because it failed to skip Soar :D

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

Is it just me or did Gotetsu reminds me of Gilgamesh AKA Greg.

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He reminded me more of the Scotsman from Samurai Jack. :p

Too short, just like most of the content patches. Feels like SE are phoning it in now with HW MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

Too short, just like most of the content patches. Feels like SE are phoning it in now with HW MSQ.

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This is because they streamlined the story patches in Heavensward due to everyone complaining about how ARR story patches had too much filler and fetch quest content in them. What we have now is ARR story patches without running halfway across Eorzea 4x in a row to deliver a message to an NPC in order to progress through it. They could add more stuff to them but people would just complain again.

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Originally Posted by seraf

This is because they streamlined the story patches in Heavensward due to everyone complaining about how ARR story patches had too much filler and fetch quest content in them. What we have now is ARR story patches without running halfway across Eorzea 4x in a row to deliver a message to an NPC in order to progress through it. They could add more stuff to them but people would just complain again.

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No, these MSQ each patch after 3.2-3.3 has been super short. With SE tieing up loose story quest with lame solutions. Just see warriors of darkness, minfilia, the sultana.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

No, these MSQ each patch after 3.2-3.3 has been super short. With SE tieing up loose story quest with lame solutions. Just see warriors of darkness, minfilia, the sultana.

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Because people complained that 2.1-2.55 was soooo looonnggggg and sooo borriinnggg. When that is the main way those story patches are described, what would you expect SE to do with future content?

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

Because people complained that 2.1-2.55 was soooo looonnggggg and sooo borriinnggg. When that is the main way those story patches are described, what would you expect SE to do with future content?

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I expect better resolution or integration of certain elements. So instance, warriors of darkness was tease at the end of 2.55, I can't recall them ever posing as a threat or recall how many scenes they were in? Then we beat them and they were gone. I don't think players are complaining about the length of the MSQ, just the quality of it.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

I expect better resolution or integration of certain elements. So instance, warriors of darkness was tease at the end of 2.55, I can't recall them ever posing as a threat or recall how many scenes they were in? Then we beat them and they were gone. I don't think players are complaining about the length of the MSQ, just the quality of it.

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This.

It's like next we find out Minfilia's name is actually Nancy and she just copied the persona of someone that inspired her. .... ok. So what?

..and Papylmo dying was plenty of reason for Yda to go in a new direction... this silly "reveal" was completely unnecessary.

Those poor WoD came in, didn't do anything particularly bad and vanished.... umm ok.

I feel like the entire last patch was just a big signpost that says "You're going to Doma!" or whatever... not really any quality to the storytelling.

I am REALLY on the fence now how Stormblood if it is going to be some kind of corny sumo-esque parody.

I bet one of the big reveals of SB will be the fact that Yda is still alive but being held somewhere or something. That's my guess..

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

I expect better resolution or integration of certain elements. So instance, warriors of darkness was tease at the end of 2.55, I can't recall them ever posing as a threat or recall how many scenes they were in? Then we beat them and they were gone. I don't think players are complaining about the length of the MSQ, just the quality of it.

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I mean, it's not like they weren't successfully goading the beast tribes to summon more frequently and beating them down with the goal that it would lead to an escalation that could tip the balance toward a calamity...particularly since we were very much made aware of how weak Hydaelyn had become at that point...

Or they weren't then trying to kill us as part of an interesting bit of subterfuge by one of our meant to play both sides for the greater good.

Oh..wait.

Honestly, it sounds like you're conflating "I didn't like it" with "It's not any good."

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

..and Papylmo dying was plenty of reason for Yda to go in a new direction... this silly "reveal" was completely unnecessary.

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There's a lot that happens in stories that is unnecessary.

Being necessary or unnecessary has little bearing on whether a story element is interesting, or can be used for something more interesting later. Revealing that Yda had such a significant secret is unnecessary. But it's also interesting.

Also, for the WoD, they were on track to escalate the beast tribes into summoning primals more and more, possibly even turning to new ones...at a time when Hydaelyn was incredibly weak. Until she got the boost from saving the 1st world, she was at the tipping point of another calamity and destroying another shard. But I guess that doesn't count as particularly bad.

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Originally Posted by Yukiba

I bet one of the big reveals of SB will be the fact that Yda is still alive but being held somewhere or something. That's my guess..

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That would at least give us some payoff for the mostly pointless reveal of "SURPRISE! The only person you've ever known to be Yda turns out to be someone else entirely, even though for all intents and purposes, from your perspective they just changed their name and outfit, since you know, they've been the same person you've known all along."

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

No, these MSQ each patch after 3.2-3.3 has been super short. With SE tieing up loose story quest with lame solutions. Just see warriors of darkness, minfilia, the sultana.

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MSQ appears shorter because rather then have everything take place within the MSQ they split it in 2, the primal/warring triad story was it's own unique story apart from the MSQ because players were actually complaining about progressing through the MSQ in order to do the newer Primal fights.