By pity Square Enix, redesign Garuda-Egi

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

You are using a very unflattering picture in an attempt to "win" the argument, and do not even consider a few things about the two: There is at the minimum a 2 year gap between when Garuda-Egi was created and Midgarsormr was. The Egis are actually a bit more complex models even with their lower res textures due to the fact that their glow will cycle between dim and bright.

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Hum no, I made the exact same zoom with Garuda and my pet, do the same extra zoom and you'll see Garuda looks like trash while pet look way better.
If the egis textures are too old, then they better redesign it.

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Originally Posted by Remus

Most of the stuff in the game has bad detail even armor when you zoom in. Also how often would someone actually zoom into their egi? There is no point to it. Most of the time your camera is zoomed out and detail looks fine from a far. I'm not saying the detail is amazing or anything just that zoomed in detail which you will rarely see during combat doesn't really matter.

So far most of your arguments hardly hold any weight to why they should waste resource to make something look better when they could spend that time elsewhere like actual content. Also seems quite a few people so far have said they like the current egi.

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If you like egis so much, why are you on a topic about redesign them ? You are quoting EVERY messages of me and I find it really annoying.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

If you like egis so much, why are you on a topic about redesign them ? You are quoting EVERY messages of me and I find it really annoying.

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Your giving your reason for it and i'm just saying why i'm against it simple as. Welcome to the forum all about discussion.

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Originally Posted by Remus

Your giving your reason for it and i'm just saying why i'm against it simple as. Welcome to the forum all about discussion.

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Yes I understood that with your first message. But stop quoting each of my messages only to make me look like an idiot. You are doing that since the first message and I find it offensive.

http://gamerescape.com/wp-content/up.../10/garuda.jpg
Garuda Minion Concept Art

Hopefully when/if Summoner Glamour comes out it will come with some redesigns of the original egi as well.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

stop quoting each of my messages only to make me look like an idiot. You are doing that since the first message and I find it offensive.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

If you like egis so much, why are you on a topic about redesign them ? You are quoting EVERY messages of me and I find it really annoying.

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People are going to quote you if they respond to you. It's just what people do on forums. I don't understand your hostility about this at all?

Also this is a forum. It's a place for discussion. You cannot expect to post something and have everyone agree with you automatically ( or to have people who disagree with you ignore it ).

http://e.lvme.me/pzv5j7l.jpg

Some Summoners, like myself, are going to come here and say they don't think they should be changed.. While others are going to say the opposite...

You post a thread about changing the Egi, of course people that don't want it changed are going to say something... just as much as the opposite is true... You don't get to ask people to leave or stop quoting you because you don't like what they have to say in response to you.

After thinking about this, I'm pretty sure the egi design is intentional. Primals are fully fleshed beings only when they have enough prayer and crystals, right? So one summoner can only do so much, and will only produce a fragment of what a full primal could be. Theoretically we could see an egi from a small beast tribe with few crystls, while we see Alexander is way bigger and more complex because of the amount of crystals used for him. (Or really, just raw energy from the land.) So I think the egi is partly a representation of the limits of a single summoner.

I say this because carbuncles and fairies are very detailed pets, and I am unsure of how carbuncles are brought into being, but fairies are already existing creatures that SCH bond with and summon to them from another area/realm, so they aren't an extension of the SCH's power, unlike egis. Carbuncles and fairies though, on a design level, all have "flat" coloring with glow/sparkles added whereas the egis all look like they are made of crystal and have the elements orbiting them, so maybe that texture has something to do with it.

Tl;dr: it seems like egis were intentionally designed to be unimposing, and if they were, I doubt the dev team will compromise what they want for the game, especially aesthetically.

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Originally Posted by LadyVal

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In before someone says "I AM THE WARRIOR OF LIGHT! I HAVE 6 CRYSTALS OF LIGHT AND I AM POWERFUL ENOUGH TO MAKE MY EGI AS BIG AND FEROCIOUS AS THE PRIMALS!"
Anyway, I completely agree with you.

With the case of carbuncles:

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"Adepts of the art of arcanum derive their might from symbols of power born of geometric techniques hailing from across the southern seas. Held within occult grimoires, these symbols lend shape to the arcanist's aether, thereby allowing him to produce myriad powerful spells.

Using the selfsame symbols to unlock the latent power contained within gemstones, arcanists are also able to summon forth the familiar known as Carbuncle to carry out their bidding."

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They pretty much use arcanum and a magical gemstone to summon them.

EDIT: Summoners do the same thing, but since we only borrowed lost Summoner art and in reality we are still Arcanists, so we still do use arcane arts but with a Primal's essence instead of a gemstone to form them.
Also, the summons borrow half of your aether I think (?) so maybe that factors why they're small. That's also the reason why we can't summon two at once (and that it's unfair or OP in a gameplay standpoint).

I always kinda liked the poor egis, thought of them as a kind of aetheric marionette that both simulates and mocks the original primal. I wouldn't be against maybe more details in the egi model, like maybe some little glowing eyes and maybe a more feathery look to Garuda-egi's.

Honestly I'd be happy if SE just made them look more crystalline and transparent to go with the whole aetherial manifestation of a primal deal.