I've mentioned this in other threads on the topic and been shot down for it, but for the two friends I had convinced to try out this game neither of them are still playing due to the 'compulsary' content block.
One didn't even get past Sastasha as they got bored with waiting in que with no other quests to do.
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06-25-2015, 08:19 AMMortalWare
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06-25-2015, 08:24 AMLuvbunnyYou can now power level them through all "must do" main story quest with your level 130 character, just the two of you. So your friend can speed up to 50 ASAP (doing those MSQ "how fast can you press the skip button", FATEs train bang a gong, power level them via levequest, or killing lower level bosses in dungeons over and over). Can't do much in 2.1-2.55 though, since SE decided to throw more of those in and it is painful to do in one sitting. But on the other hand, he now have 20 dungeons endgame to go through collecting poetic tomestone and gearing up for 3.0. And those dungeons are fun full of actions and mechanics that will prepare you for 3.0 encounter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MortalWare
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06-25-2015, 08:28 AMVoltyblastSpeaking of that, my sister once told me that she was once playing with her thaumaturge and she was having a blast levelling and playing the quests up to level 20, until she realized that she still couldn't do the dungeons yet. I remember how she felt very annoyed that "she had to stop, go back to the main quest and finish those three dungeons" in order to queue for the future dungeons.Quote:
Originally Posted by MortalWare
The same happened also when she was almost 50: she loved to queue for dungeons and she was almost finished to level up until she had to check her main quest and saw that she was still stuck to lvl 40 MSQ. Again, she had to stop everything and go back to recover the story or else she wouldn't even be able to do the level 50 dungeons like WP or AK.
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06-25-2015, 08:32 AMFleur
Confession: I don't play this game for the story. I find it mildly entertaining at times, and the lore is pretty neat, but that's about it. Some main story quests are interesting, but others are something to the extent of and NPC saying, "Do me a favor that is largely unrelated to what you are trying to accomplish right now." Having the latter type be optional would not harm my gameplay experience, and I can't imagine how it would harm anyone else's as this filler could be available still as optional side quests.
For me, though, it is still the DF queues that are the biggest roadblock, since there are so many darn DF requirements in the MSQ. I queue'd up for SM Garuda last night (prime time) and after 45 mins in the queue it was at 1/4. It is really frustrating and discouraging to me. -
06-25-2015, 08:33 AMRichardButteIn a perfect world, sure, but you can't always guarantee you'll be there to help.Quote:
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06-25-2015, 08:36 AMLuvbunnyI totally understand, this is why I said that if 2.0-2.55 MSQ is not doing anything for them, 3.0 is not going to magically solve anything. The slow slog is even extremely noticeable here in 3.0, not to mention the amount of gated content, as well as quests you NEED to do but buried under chain of quests so if you skip most of them focusing on main story only, you can't even fly in any areas and must navigate beyond annoying huge amount of terrain constantly assaulted by enemies (which you can outrun thankfully). There are not that many dungeons available only 5, plus 3 for endgame. And the amount of XP needed is insane amount, you better love redoing those dungeons plus daily roulette, FATE, quests (hide and seek fetch type across huge region with barely any indication of where things are), levequests...Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardButte
If any of your friends just want ACTION dungeon grinds, they will be in for rude awakening. 2.55 contents have more of those but they don't reward any xp unless you do daily roulette (which is a big huge oversight mistakes...). You mainly use it to farm tombstone to gear up for HW (and endgame gears level 170). But yeah, this game is kind of made better to play with friends but still give you plenty of options to solo through with so many variety of things to do.
In conclusion, they should let everyone into Ishgard to unlock all three new jobs by only finishing 2.0 MSQ, but lock them out of everything else till they finish 2.55 MSQ. Flying should be easily obtainable instead of forcing you to find ALL aetherflow. -
06-25-2015, 09:17 AMRichardButteIt's nowhere near as bad if the player A) has you around to help, B) has the benefit of knowing that they're not stuck in "old" content or C) is playing the class they actually want to play.Quote:
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It doesn't sound like much, but cumulatively, this can make a HUGE difference in motivation.
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06-25-2015, 09:29 AMPocketFoxI don't know, it might. I was underwhelmed by a lot of the story, up until about 2.5. The original 2.0 story seemed very patchy and not very cohesive, and I absolutely hated the entire white auracite storyline. But the climax in 2.5-2.55 actually got me interested again, and I've been loving the 3.0 story. So you never know, people might be able to slog through the ARR story and fall in love with HW... which is exactly why I agree there needs to be a more streamlined way to get through the former.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luvbunny
To be clear: I'm not talking about leveling and the pre-50 story. I'm talking about everything after finishing 2.0 and before finishing 2.55. It's story, yes, but it's also filler now, because it has become a wall. So I'm entirely in favor of streamlining the ARR post-2.0 MSQ. -
06-25-2015, 10:59 AMVlady
No point in arguing with Luvbunny. If you do not see it her way you are automatically wrong. For now everything should stay the way it is suppose to be. You should not try to conclude the reasoning to remove half of the original ARR content because you want to get to end game now. In all honesty fully strengthening one job to its BIS should take 2-3 months with alt toons being under your main in gear. That is the pace the game seems to have gone and people being 180 i level and 60 in 4 days lets me know something is badly wrong.
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06-25-2015, 11:28 AMMadjames
Alrighty soo here is my take
I left Arr around 1-2 months after it released to go back to my friends in world of warcraft.
Upon learning that Ninja was added into the game on 3/15/2105 (which was the main reason for me quitting FF14 in the first place, I joined right up with my wife.) We resubbed and quit wow indefinitely on that very day.
So I had to start completely over on a new server so we could join my wife's sister. After a total of 20 days we both hit 50. I started mining and saving up for a house. So after getting my magitek armor we both stopped doing the MSQ.
I learned sometime in the tail end of may that it would be a requirement to do all of the MSQ stuff. So between work IRL, twin boys, mining, and getting gil together (currently sitting on 2.5mil ugh with no homes available.) I did the MSQ. I was on the quest called Fireworks and Fish don't mix. I started doing this the day of early access. I started at 11:00am and did NOT get done with the MSQ until 7:00am....the next day. Now, I did take two 1 hour breaks in between this as well as a few 10 minute breaks, roughly 7 of them total. Other then that, I was doing the MSQ nonstop as well as skipping everything.
I am in no way interested in the story (Sorry I played FF6 and FF7 for their story and nothing has been able to compare. ) I have been playing MMORPG's since September 1997. The one that was like FF14 that was story driven was SWTOR.
I have been playing MMORPGs for 18 years STRAGIHT. I have never missed a subscription payment nor have I ever taken a break as an MMORPG is a virtual world that you get into. Your character makes his own story as he goes through the world. He makes his own decisions and has his own personality. I owe Ultima Online and more so Dungeons and Dragons (The pen and paper one) a lot in showing me how to create a whole new unique person that is different from myself. Instead of asking myself how should I respond to something, I ask myself how my character would respond based on the personality I have given him and other things about them.
Enough on that, back to the point. This is the only game I have EVER encountered where it completely 100% locked a whole expansion behind a level requirement wall AS WELL AS 20+ hours worth of quests and crap. In wow, Every single new class was not locked behind a MSQ. You just had to be of required level to get it (Hello level 55 death knights for example) You also had to do some 5 minute or less quest in order to go through the dark portal and be the required level. That is it.
In this game, not only do you have to be level 50, you also have to complete over 20 hours worth of quests and crap just to get into the expansion. Gating is a good thing but gating even the highlights of this expansion which is the jobs is totally a slap in the face of new players getting in this game for the first time.
Gate the new expansion with a level cap, every mmorpg does this, even SWTOR that is also heavily story oriented. However Bioware does NOT totally and utterly lock a whole expansion behind their story.
Some can argue that this is a story MMORPG but lets not forget that this is also a MMO. The story to someone such as myself is secondary as I make my own story as my character goes along. Being on some rail story when I myself know my character would not even participate at all in any way as his personality would clash with it in the first place is, to say it nicely, not good.
I play an mmorpg to have and make friends and to designate what my character would and would not do and participate in and what story he himself would make, not how SE perceives it or anyone else.
Just because this is a story MMORPG does not mean that in order to make this the "right game" you have to play the game, like its story and follow it to a T and agree with it totally. There is plenty in this game that I do like which is mining, fighting monsters and doing dungeons with friends, and above all progressing my character and going through all of this based on the decisions he would make himself, not me and in the very end write an actual book based on his life (I am a nerd I know).
Now, this MSQ debacle which it is, is an issue, sorry but this lackluster story is not the main reason to play, nor is it the end all be all of this game. If it were, we would be doing 100% story raids that work more like a movie or the story decision making in Star Wars The Old Republic then what we have here currently in game. We would have little to no input in the end game progression stuff and would be watching a whole lot more then interacting and after said movie raid thing was over, we would be given a choice in a piece of gear that our characters can use.
I also play MMORPG's to raid. I raid to have fun and fight monsters because my character would want to do that to make himself more powerful with the weapons and armor said monster has. He could not give two craps about anything or anyone else as that is not how his personality is. He works much like Raislin Majere in Dragon Lance. He goes with the group for his own gain only. He has ulterior motives.
My other character who is a Bard is quite the opposite but I do not play him much as he seems more goody too shoes to me.
So do I believe that this whole thing is a problem for new players? Absolutely!! Yes!!! I have tried to recruit 5 friends off of my facebook, 5 co-workers, and 5 family members and ALL of them have turned me down and the very reason is the issue currently at hand in this thread. Some like the story but on principal will NOT give SE any money when they gate a whole expansion behind a lackluster story combined with forcing you to stay within outdated and irrelevant content when you are level 50. More over, they also do not agree with lockout of the jobs as some wanted to start out as a mechanist and cant due to it being locked behind 40+ hours of MSQ as well as being level 50+ required to get them when they are a BIG feature in said expansion.
I hope SE sees that by gating this whole expansion out as well as the new jobs it is hurting them by people NOT picking up the game due to this very reason. Thank you. -
06-25-2015, 11:32 AMRannie
So I'm not going to knock the idea of cutting down the bs portion quests for the main story line, however, I would like to point something out (if I'm wrong feel free to correct me) with the fetch quests for the main story line once you hit the 50 mark you get exp from them and sorta kills having to do a lot of the side quests in heavensward to help you level to 60. That's what I'm thinking about.
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06-25-2015, 11:55 AMLuvbunnyI don't make the game. It is what it is. If you don't like it, you don't have to play it. That's how the game is made, to deter "I want BIS in 3 days OK!! so I can be done with it". This is not race to the finish, maybe you should learn to enjoy the game as is intended, warts and all. I mean in all honesty, they can just remove half the storyline in 3.0 which essentially the same exercise in fetch quest made worse by hide and seek factor. Then you have another thread complaining the bare bones content that can be completed in under 20 hours.... You should be glad you get your money's worth considering the amount of contents that new players have to chew before they get to 60.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlady
I rather get rid of those who not really interested in playing Final Fantasy game - and help others who want to play the game so they don't get the server error message. Probably make a better gameplay when you get to play with someone who truly can enjoy the game as intended by the creator instead a bunch of crybabies, "are we there yet? are we there yet? my god, 50 more main quests to go through?? seriously???!!! - rage quit cancel account, see you again!! -
06-25-2015, 12:09 PMMihana
Personally I believe more than half the content going from 2.0 to 2.55 needs to be cut out. There's too many "walk here, talk to X NPC, do Y action, return to Z NPC, collect reward" type quests. They really deter me from leveling a second character because I hate having to roam all across the realm doing menial tasks that are designed to do nothing more than try your patience and waste your time. Leave the dungeons, instanced fights, primals, all that in. But why does the savior or Eorzea need to wander off in the middle of a big important Primal preparation to go pick flowers in some obscure place for some random lady because she needs a new bouquet for her vase? It's just filler, and need to be phased out to streamline the story and progression to the expansion.
EDIT: This is just an example but it's pretty much like that, do some completely unrelated tasks, grunt work, just so you can progress to the next big part of the story. Some of it can stay, but get rid of the back and forth work and rewarding the player just from going from point a-to-b to talk to an NPC to start the NEXT quest in that same chain. -
06-25-2015, 12:37 PMMadjamesFrom the quest fireworks and fish don't mix to Coming to Ishgard (Not starting it just having the quest)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rannie
I got a total of 491787 experience TOTAL. Each MSQ gives 4,800 EXP with the bonuses! That amount of experience will NOT cover a fraction of the side quests! Nor is that lackluster crap exp worth the 20+ hours I spent doing it when I could have been in Ishgard with my friends getting 48k exp per quest! -
06-25-2015, 12:43 PMMadjames
I have also downscaled my subscription as well as my wifes due to us NEVER wanting to go through the MSQ again on a second character. I like the cat people as well as the Lalafell. However, it sucks I wont be able to have both because the MSQ is so time consuming and pointless but oh well, SE's loss even if it is $4 a month. I wonder how many others who had the idea to have more then one character downgraded their subs due to this very issue as well. It feels like a loss in money for SE and could be considered a huge loss if more and more people make this decision as the wife and I have.
Lastly, Luvbunny what you fail to realize is that there is no Wrong way to play the game. There is not only ONE way that the game was intended to play weather you like to think there is or not. There is no right and wrong way for this game to be played because it is a form of entertainment that is designed for many different players out there, not just the story huggers.
I listed my reasons to play an MMORPG and this game has them all. The game was designed for players such as myself in mind. Just like it was designed for the hardcore raiders, the crafters and yes, the story huggers. This game is much more then just another Final Fantasy game. It is an MMORPG and as such, should not be gated the way it is. -
06-25-2015, 01:19 PMRichardButteWhile this is definitely true and it's better than nothing, the quest give something to the tune of 2,400 exp on each turn in while the quests in HW give at least 10k right off the bat.Quote:
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Also, if you're slogging through the ARR 50 MSQ because you just want to start leveling one of the new classes, all of that exp will be worthless to you (as it is for my friend who just wanted to get to Machinist, though he did make it last night by staying up until 3AM, heh). -
06-25-2015, 01:39 PMRichardButteI was actually going to defend you until I saw this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Luvbunny
No, dude, just...no.
The attitude of "UR NOT HARDCOAR ENUF!!!111!" is a cancerous wart on the butt of gaming (MMO or otherwise) and has no place in modern MMOs.
Wildstar adopted this mentality, and just look at how well they're doing now.
And once again, what are you even defending? The idea that people should have to endure mashing the ESC key for 10 straight hours before they get to try out the content they paid for? What a snobby, crappy thing to wish upon people.
Me? I don't care how people want to play FFXIV, because it's not my place to tell them, and their money benefits SE for future development all the same and I appreciate it for that alone.
Really, man, get rid of that attitude. There has been an overwhelming number of people posting in this thread about how they've been unable to play with friends because their friends didn't have a high enough boredom threshold to make it through all of the 50 MSQ and join them in HW. This is something SE NEEDS to address.
This is money SE could be making that they aren't, and for what? To "preserve the integrity of ESC key mashing through 10 hours of boring-as-crap filler with 30 minutes of story hidden somewhere within"?
There are better ways to do this, mainly through abridging the MSQ leading into HW. And when they do that: everyone wins. Players win because they get to play with their friends, SE wins because they make more money.
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06-25-2015, 02:40 PM3JaneNicely put :)Quote:
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06-25-2015, 02:49 PMMadjamesI would like to know how she knows that every person playing this game does so because they want a month-long ride through the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3Jane
This is a Final Fantasy game. This is also an MMORPG that is, by design meant for plenty of different players with different goals. This game never has nor never will be JUST for the story huggers. There is also no right or wrong way to play as it has been designed for story huggers, hardcore raiders, crafters, and gatherers such as myself.
You can tell me there are plenty of people who do not like raiding. I can counter that by saying that there are also plenty of people such as myself who could give two craps about the story and would rather make their own characters story through RP and do activities with their friends in dungeons, raids, and RP.
If all you want is story, then it is YOU KisaiTenshi who is playing the wrong game in my opinion. I suggest trying FF7 or FF6 if you care about the story and nothing else.
In my view, my characters story, his life, is made through his daily activities and actions that he himself decides, not what SE or anyone else says. What kills this story the most is that everyone is a special snowflake, and that to me ruins immersion more them making your own story as you go along. -
06-25-2015, 03:09 PMVlady
When a new person starts the game you honestly think the first thing going through their head is omg I want to be level 60 and raiding with my best buddies tonight? Cannot start machinist,dark knight, or astrologian off the bat is going to cause you to cancel your sub? Dont make me laugh. Its like saying that omg it took me 30 levels to finally become a scholar but my friends will quit because they cannot be scholars off the bat.
I dont know of anyone in my near 180 friend list over the last 2 years who quit because they could not become the job they wanted for the first 30 levels. This is a rpg MMO and I am damned tired of people who get bored of wow for a few months come over here and try to change things and ruin it for the long term people. The full story line is good for a healthy and developing playerbase. Give people instant gratification and they will be bored quickly because of the theme park constantly gearing up and strengthening up mechanics this game adheres too. If you want things cut for you then go play another game. I and the majority (silent) of the playerbase seems happy right now.
The people who I see quit do so because they think they have to play every day and burn themselves out in the process of trying to max out gear and levels in 2-3 days. -
06-25-2015, 03:17 PMLittleArrow
This is a real problem. I've always complained about how terrible the dialogue has been from 1.0 - 2.0. I would literally read three full chat bubbles and could summarize it in one or two sentences. There comes a point where "flavor" text steps over the line into "pure wordy nonsense." I've had friends literally give up playing this game b/c they couldn't stand all the running / reading / bloated number of needless menus they encounter in the first 10mins of the game. I know that sounds extreme, but just letting the devs know what they're up against in customers they're losing.
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06-25-2015, 03:20 PMPocketFox
To those accusing us of wanting to rush through the game: please go back and read our posts again. All of them. It has nothing to do with wanting to rush to max level and gear out in three days. It has to do with looking at the slog between hitting 50 and being able to actually do the content everyone else is doing, and deciding it isn't worth it. You've made it abundantly clear that you're happy to see the backs of those people, but what about those of us who love this game and want to share it with our friends? Heck, what about the vitality and longevity of the game? MMOs want and need to expand their playerbases, and they can't do that if new players are faced with a years-old wall between themselves and what is actually current. There needs to be a compromise between preserving story and expediting catch-up.
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06-25-2015, 03:23 PMLuvbunnyOK what you fail to understand is, I will be more than happy to skip all those CS and MSQ when you already have one main character - I have 3, the amount of repeat I have to do is a big turn off, I could not agree more. To do FF14 2.0-2.55 three times is actually not that bad compared to what's coming in 3.0. The original is short, a few clicks, teleport, maybe a few duty finder, done. This new one.... my god, it is beyond horrendous. Basically everything you hate about MSQ magnified three times longer and more tedious...Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardButte
But if we get rid of all those "tedious" quests, then there is not much of the game itself. It's true for 2.55 and as well as 3.0, so many fetch quests... Which is ok if you are taking it slow and mixing it up with a few levequest, crafting, gathering, duty roulette, guildhest and maybe a few main mission a day. But trying to ram all those MSQ in a short amount of time, yeah, might as well quit. There are plenty of threads already complaining about the way 3.0 quests and fetch hide and seek. I would guess your friend will join this chorus the minute they realize they have to do the same boring fetch quest, again, but across a huge areas (back and forth) with no flying ability given to them ASAP.
This is why I don't understand the big deal, if they shorten all 2.55 editions, a lot of players will complaint that they are being cheated on and given a sub par content. I do agree that the best solution would be taking a good chunk of fluffs and put them as side quests, trimming the fat but still keep the content intact (good for leveling your alt classes).
Again, they should have let everyone who owns the expansion pack to access Ishgard with only finishing 2.0 MSQ, and let these new players or returnee try the three new jobs ASAP - but gate the rest of the expansion until they finish the 2.55 MSQ. This will appease them, while they try new jobs and doing MSQ a bit here and there, at the same time, it gives them something to look forward to. The way it is now, you are stuck, neither side win, and a lot of pissed of players. -
06-25-2015, 03:53 PMZenesisX
All of the fetch quest need to be optional especially those that do not move the story forward in any meaningful way. Collecting tea leaves will not help save the world. Nor will meeting a npc in person just to have them say "must needs" in a sentence then be told to go back to another npc so that they can somehow say it too. Square Enix "must needs" figure this out so that new players aren't pushed away by lousy trivial work.
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06-25-2015, 04:41 PMAkulious
Having leveled up a character to 30ish a year or so ago and having done a brand new character this past week up to 30 (almost 2 classes up to 30 w00t w00t) I have to say the main storyline gives an absolute ridiculous amount of EXP now. Part of the second class almost at the same level is I had to start splitting which class to do the main story with as it was getting bonkers for how much higher in levels I was getting compared to where I should be.
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06-25-2015, 05:03 PM3JaneYes, this.Quote:
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06-25-2015, 07:10 PMRubyShoesYou couldn't be more right!Quote:
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06-25-2015, 08:58 PMcougarel
No . It's not a great idea what you're proposing. Look at wow as an example or other mmorpgs out there. The game is simple as you can get , but you need to use your brain to play which I find it enjoyable . Being a new player myself I really don't see the point in complaining about not being able to play a certain new class or not being practically teleported to the new zones . Every player has to have class progression, otherwise it's pointless and you will get wipe because people don't really know their class.The mechanics so far from my point of view are not that hard and very easy to understand after 2-3 wipes .This is a mmorpg which means you need to have patience and interact with people and make an effort to understand the game in full, not bits and parts. My 2 cents.
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06-25-2015, 09:35 PMOnizukaBRPeople never complained like this because even if you can't be a Paladin off the bat you can be a gladiator (same weapon and skills) and than at 30 you become a paladin, people understand this.But now someone need to play a class they don't like, level until 50 do a lot of quest then go back to 30 to finally play a class they enjoy. See the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlady
If you could play a archer and at level 30 get MCH job instead of BRD no one would complain. I have a friend that really wanted play DRK and was waiting for it but now he don't want to level some class he doesn't like and do a lot of things before really starting the game ( for him ), he got to 35 and couldn't play anymore because he only like the DRK. -
06-25-2015, 09:48 PMKisaiTenshiNay, I'm playing the right game because it has a story, and nearly every character has a meaningful presence, and every job has it's own story. The OP said they just skipped absolutely everything the NPC's said and cutscenes and didn't care one bit for the story. That's why they are playing the wrong game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madjames
IMO, anyone who comes into FFXIV, skips all the storyline bits, and then complains when there is more story, is playing the wrong game. It's like having a militant vegan at a BBQ. All they complain about is how people are depraved for eating meat instead of just socializing like a normal person. -
06-25-2015, 10:06 PMAmelia_Pond_BehemothYes, but you couldn't even begin the Zilart story until you finished a good chunk of the vanilla story.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford
I think both sides here want the same thing. That the players enjoy a rich story in Eorzea. What the topic is merely asking for is that they trim out the excess fat. I liked the analogy I saw that compared the main story to a marthon session of TV. No one wants a 5 minute synopsis in order to start on season 2. We just don't want to slog through the commercials. -
06-25-2015, 10:21 PMKayote
Ok so after getting my 2nd character (this guy, long story), up to the post 2.0 quests... its really not as bad as it was before. You get gear upgrades (up to ilvl70 so far) plus a decent amount of exp towards 51+. If you really dont care about the story, or seeing it all yet again, just skip everything and port everywhere. Yeah its time consuming since there is A LOT of filler but since there is no need to keep up with ilvl, and the miracle of DRK's balancing out the dungeon queues for all classes, its not much of a big deal. I was happy when I realized I wont be needing to grind CM again, just one and done.
Not that Im ever going to be against letting players skip the 2.X story if they so choose to. Its still a nuisance that can deter new players and old alike who just want to get into current content or new classes. All im saying is its not as bad as it was before and can be pushed through without many roadblocks.
P.S: Anyone know if the new MSQ rewards give weapon upgrades? Id rather not do the relic quests ATM and the jerks on my server are actually trying to sell grey ilvl115 weapons for around 50k when you can probably buy one at Ishgard for a couple thousand, if that. -
06-25-2015, 10:25 PMPikachu_Pizza
I started ARR last week and noticed a majority of the quest are "Go talk to this guy who's right over there for me". Needless to say the slow pace and constant long conversations and cut scenes did not hold my attention and around level 15-20 I just started skipping them. I want to play with friend who are already 50+ and dread the grind I wll have to do at 50 for story sake. Why grind out gear when it's useless as soon as you buy the stuff in the first HW area? Idgi.
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06-25-2015, 10:32 PMAtrayl
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06-25-2015, 10:44 PMcougarelReally? Is that hard to really understand that by undergoing the story, you learn certain mechanics of how the game and the class you are playing function? But then again, why bother explain over and over again this fact. The story forces you to enter different dungeons and primals which have different mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atrayl
Yes it has a negative impact as the player won't play only with his friend. In certain situation he will need to interact with other players and by not having any experience and understanding of what he is doing , he is ruining the gaming experience of the other players involved.
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06-25-2015, 10:53 PMTuathaaYou mean by reading tool tips and going out and killing things like people are doing now with alt jobs? This argument has no validity.Quote:
Originally Posted by cougarel
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06-25-2015, 11:12 PMcougarel
I could swear as I finished the MSQ just 2 days ago in order to advance to the new content, that I had to make dungeons and primals with different mechanics.. But then again, I must be playing a different game and live in another reality. Point is this is a mmorpg : It is supposed to be like this, you need to invest time and patience in order to truly enjoy the game content. Why even bother to play ff if not going through the lore, please do answer this.
There are other crap games which are free to play out there, do play those because those have that shortcut. -
06-25-2015, 11:15 PMSouljackerExactly what in the MSQ teaches us how to play? I don't recall any cutscenes that told me how or when to use my cooldowns as a warrior, or how to make decisions on the fly about what cures to use as a white mage. THAT is what we are talking about here - the absolutely pointless 'run here. talk to this person. bring this note to xyz, go track down tataru for the 99th time because we can't think of any other way to bring you to this random place so this random person can be introduced' that doesn't move the story along in a meaningful way and adds zero value to the player's experience. 300+ quests isn't necessary. It just isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by cougarel
Dungeons aren't even necessary, really. All you need to know about SE dungeons is how to strafe, dance, and memorize a pattern because that's all they are. No one is learning anything meaningful in Satasha that they couldn't learn at max level when they go into experts by reading the tooltips and practicing at the dummy. -
06-25-2015, 11:21 PMExotik_LegacyI believe you are not understanding exactly what we are saying, We do NOT want to SKIP the ENTIRETY OF MSQ, All we are asking is that the patch quests from lvl 50 up to 2.55 before heavenward get trimmed back from these fetch quests etc, Having this insane amount of quests is not fun, its long and time consuming, they were filler quests for patches to keep people busy before heavenward dropped. going from 1-50 is no issue, its the quests at lvl 50 between the new lv 50 msq they added up to 2.55 which is where heavenward cuts in, it takes an extremely long time to sit their burning through crap that no one wants to deal with when all we want is to start playing the content we purchased and looked forward to playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cougarel
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06-25-2015, 11:30 PMTuathaaExactly how is going across a map to pick up a box of tea or any other unrelated item to the msq breaking lore? It's not and was added as a filler to keep max level players active.Quote:
Originally Posted by cougarel