Immersion, The Facts & Fiction

Kona, as much as I may have inspired you to begin this thread. I am glad I stayed away from it. Like a hooker with aids.

oh wait...


damn.

Konchibi

/think. I just don't see you as a Wark Wark kind of person.

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Originally Posted by Kam

oh wait...


damn.

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Welcome to the thread o/

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Originally Posted by Rinoa

Konchibi

/think. I just don't see you as a Wark Wark kind of person.

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That's why I'm using "This thread needs more Grandia", but it's in my sig so I don't have to keep typing it :P

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

That's why I'm using "This thread needs more Grandia", but it's in my sig so I don't have to keep typing it :P

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hope you realise the yellow text is hard to distinguish. change it :)

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Originally Posted by Kam

hope you realise the yellow text is hard to distinguish. change it :)

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That's ok, it's part of the immersion.

Hehehe x3

I'm just gonna use that as a jokey random catchphrase to throw in sometimes as an excuse for "I can't be bothered to fix it" :p

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

That's ok, it's part of the immersion.

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You win an internets for that.

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Originally Posted by Kam

You win an internets for that.

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HOORAY \O/

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Originally Posted by Kirith

Let's say you have a sphere.
You put it in the water.
Half of the sphere is immersed in the water. The sphere is half immersed.
If the sphere goes completely under the surface of water, it is completely immersed.

As you can see, there are different levels of immersion. A person decides how much to be immersed in a game, based on how believable the world is. Teleporting for many people isn't believable, thus it doesn't let them immerse fully.

"If you cannot accept the GAME, you cannot accept the WORLD."

Not accepting one feature of the game doesn't mean not accepting the whole game or the whole world! I accept the grass, the trees, even the monsters, the special attacks, but i don't accept teleporting, it is too convenient and not believable! Yet i don't mind it stays implemented because it only lowers my immersion a little! For certain people it breaks immersion completely, based on their own personalities!

You can't go tell them "you have no right to say something breaks your immersion", simply because it DOES. Now that is an actual fact.

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Best written post I've read in awhile, kudos! Thats /thread right there.

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Originally Posted by Choyi

Best written post I've read in awhile, kudos! Thats /thread right there.

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The thread was /thread ages ago, it just sort of wiggled around a bit as it slowly bled to death.

mmm chicken soup.

Yes I did realise the thread was basicly a big troll fest since page one, just had to apreciate a good post once I see one (theyr'e quite rare theese days).

yeah they are quit rare.

[SIZE="7"]IMMERSION[/SIZE]

woooooo

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Originally Posted by Choyi

Best written post I've read in awhile, kudos! Thats /thread right there.

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No that wasn't /thread. It was a good analogy with a flawed conclusion.

"Teleporing for many people isn't believable, thus it doesn't let them immerse fully."

Is a faulty statement. The very FACT that teleporting is part of XIV's world is proof in its self that it is real and therefor believable. Just like in real life, when you come across new things you never say "that isn't real" you ask "how does that work."

The same logic should apply to fantasy realms. As in, SE should make a Teleportaion quest, granting us access to porting and explaining how it works.

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Originally Posted by Commat

No that wasn't /thread. It was a good analogy with a flawed conclusion.

"Teleporing for many people isn't believable, thus it doesn't let them immerse fully."

Is a faulty statement. The very FACT that teleporting is part of XIV's world is proof in its self that it is real and therefor believable. Just like in real life, when you come across new things you never say "that isn't real" you ask "how does that work."

The same logic should apply to fantasy realms. As in, SE should make a Teleportaion quest, granting us access to porting and explaining how it works.

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Beam Me Up Scotty

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Originally Posted by Commat

No that wasn't /thread. It was a good analogy with a flawed conclusion.

"Teleporing for many people isn't believable, thus it doesn't let them immerse fully."

Is a faulty statement. The very FACT that teleporting is part of XIV's world is proof in its self that it is real and therefor believable. Just like in real life, when you come across new things you never say "that isn't real" you ask "how does that work."

The same logic should apply to fantasy realms. As in, SE should make a Teleportaion quest, granting us access to porting and explaining how it works.

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just because something is in a game dousn't make it part of the game world. But it doesn't take away from the immersion.

Yet more signature content. I love this thread.

I'll post something intelligible tomorrow when I'm not so tired.

Caliburn I agree, It is getting late. goodnight everyone
/goodbye
Rinoa bids everyone farewell

I like how people are worrying about immersion at time when, even the devs themselves said, the game is still heavily in flux. Its funny how everyone KNEW going into 1.18 that the gap between 1.18 and 1.19 would have us in a limbo state. Yet the level of complaining since 1.18 has actually increased. Seems like the more information SE gives us about what they are doing with the game, the more people wanna cry about it. Almosts seems like they would be better off going back to the time when they didnt tell us squat about what they are doing. How about we worry about immersion or the lack there of once they start talking about charging us? Until then we should all take a nice big spoonful of shut-the-hell up and wait for them to finishing getting their act together. Just sayin.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

I like how people are worrying about immersion at time when, even the devs themselves said, the game is still heavily in flux. Its funny how everyone KNEW going into 1.18 that the gap between 1.18 and 1.19 would have us in a limbo state. Yet the level of complaining since 1.18 has actually increased. Seems like the more information SE gives us about what they are doing with the game, the more people wanna cry about it. Almosts seems like they would be better off going back to the time when they didnt tell us squat about what they are doing. How about we worry about immersion or the lack there of once they start talking about charging us? Until then we should all take a nice big spoonful of shut-the-hell up and wait for them to finishing getting their act together. Just sayin.

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Very few people are going to 'shut-the-hell-up' over a product they've paid for, even if they aren't paying a monthly fee for it. Don't forget that this isn't 'actually' the beta test even though it sure as heck looks like it.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Very few people are going to 'shut-the-hell-up' over a product they've paid for, even if they aren't paying a monthly fee for it. Don't forget that this isn't 'actually' the beta test even though it sure as heck looks like it.

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But everyone knows the situation. They know SE is trying to make the game much better than what it was, and that they've stopped subscription fees so they can at least offer something to the players while they rebuild the game. It may not seem completely fair to the individual player but what else do you honestly expect SE to do? Leave the game as it is?

This obviously isn't a normal situation for a game that's been released and SE are acknowledging that. If people are so bothered about the £30~ they paid for the game at launch, perhaps they should think about how much they've saved by playing for free and how much cash SE is actually putting into this game.

It's a product, not your life.

You don't have to explain it to me, you don't see me making complain threads and you won't.
The fact is, however, not everyone is going to be that reasonable... and it's unreasonable to expect it. That's all I'm saying.

So when they change something stupidly that they never had to, my immersion being effected is my fault? When I've already been immersed in the world before they added.... example A instant free teles in between cities?

I don't know this is a stupid topic. Nobody knows what immersion is. You can't describe it in words, it's just something you feel.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

So when they change something stupidly that they never had to, my immersion being effected is my fault? When I've already been immersed in the world before they added.... example A instant free teles in between cities?

I don't know this is a stupid topic. Nobody knows what immersion is. You can't describe it in words, it's just something you feel.

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Exactly. And I think the main point is that "immerision" isn't the number one priority right now.