DPS Tool

Is SE completely unaware of things like FFXIVAPP that end game guilds already use to see DPS? DPS is important and players will figure out a way to obtain that information. I thought Yoshi said he wanted to allow for add ons? Why step back on that now? They already have iL reqs. What is the difference?

*I want recount, straight up. Not some goofy feature that sort of tells me how I'm doing. I want a real time bar that shows a breakdown of each skill's contribution. Will people use it to kick shitty players from our groups? Yes. That's unfortunate. I've been kicked years ago too for the same reasons. I looked at a guide for my class for 10 minutes, and never got kicked for the same reason. If you can do good dps in wow, rift, or joe shmo's mmo; you can do good dps in ARR. It's not that complex.

I read a post written by a guy who was severely handicapped, and didn't want the game to be twitchy because of it. That is a reason I sympathize with, not "not everyone wants to be 1337" or whatever scrubs say to defend their selfishness.

Because of MONEY, a DPS meter while very useful for raiding and progressions guilds to measure and adjust for DPS needs, it does indeed weed out the under-performing players and adds an unwanted pressure to perform / hate & pressure from others which will cause many to quit this game thus causing SE to lose money, it's THAT FUCKING SIMPLE IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS.

There are a lot more bad DPS as to good DPS players, why would SE risk alienating their cash cow?

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Originally Posted by Docj

This is great, glad to see this!

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This would indeed be in line with the goal of this thread. Hopefully we see something soon.

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Originally Posted by Daweism

Because of MONEY, a DPS meter while very useful for raiding and progressions guilds to measure and adjust for DPS needs, it does indeed weed out the under-performing players and adds an unwanted pressure to perform / hate & pressure from others which will cause many to quit this game thus causing SE to lose money, it's THAT FUCKING SIMPLE IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS.

There are a lot more bad DPS as to good DPS players, why would SE risk alienating their cash cow?

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The problem with that (SE's) sentiment is that there are already DPS checks in-the game. Most [if not all] major boss fights have a DPS check that can be tough to meet going in with close to base ilvl requirements, esp. when learning the fight's mechanics. It's a little silly to "shield" players from tools that allow them to review their activity and show them where their performance gaps lie in any one instance, this would help to increase the margin of error for the group as a whole. Considering that any critical errors in execution by one player [during progression] can cause a party wipe, I'd say most people concerned with their group progression welcome any help they can get to genuinely improve.

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

There's already discrimination in FFXIV in the PF. Add a dps meter and it's Wow all over again.

Right now in FFXIV you have "You die we kick!" in PF.....I see also, "HAven't watched video, we'll kick!" too.

So many boorish posts it's brutal, add a dps meter to the game and well, say goodbye to any remaining nice people in the game we just love to play.

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Well there's 2 possible scenarios:

1. You see that type of party finder more often when casually checking the list because it's the more common type.
2. You see that type of party finder more often because they take much longer to fill, whereas the learning / tolerant party finders fill up almost immediately.

Keep refreshing party finder and you will "nice people" parties way down at the bottom of the list (it's oldest first), but they do fill quite quickly.

Something could be implemented in such a way that the game client gives players feedback based on what performance would be expected of them in their role in order to beat an enrage etc. I'm thinking healing/damage/threat meters which shows each player clearly whether what they personally did was up to standard based on time spent. Sure it's not effective for a raid leader, but it also ensures that otherwise innocent players are not punished more than they are already by toxic elements of the community. Player imposed PF rules that are higher than the game's requirements are bad enough. We don't need dps snobbery to add to this further.

It's incredibly stupid that there are DPS checks in the game, yet we're not allowed to know which DPS is failing to do their job over and over.

If a DPS meter is added, then this is no better than WOW? Lol. Really?
You do know DPS meters were introduced to WOW due to the game's endgame mechanics? Which in FFXIV, funny enough, are all copy & paste from WOW?
And then people wonder why a DPS meter or similar tools would be so benifical to this game and it's playerbase.

The only harm these tool would bring, would be to those with paper thin skin.
It would benefit everyone else.

I would also agree, as i remember doing my first Haukke HM and a drg in i90 had a parser and said Bard was the only dps to do more then him and then showed numbers (i was only in ilv 60 i think then)
He was not rude about it but i can very well see a tool being a bad thing if used moreso to discriminate