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06-21-2011, 04:27 AM
Teknoman

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

What I want to know is if there's a level cap on the rank 25 dungeons. If I can get 4 rank 50 players and ransack the whole place in 10 minutes, that would be kinda dumb.

Thats actually a good question. It does state "Rank 25 or higher" and nothing about a cap. Maybe items wont be worth while to people so high, and they'll stay away or change jobs/classes?
06-21-2011, 04:28 AM
Reaux

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

Toto-Rak does look similar to other Gridanian dungeons at first glance (at least the screenshot that looks similar to the newspaper shot earlier) but we still dont know anything more than a few pieces.

Either way, hopefully there will be lots of different conditions to meet: Beat in a certain amount of time, clear all enemies including boss (better be real boss battles at least), do certain puzzles or help npcs maybe? Glad treasure chests inside actually drop certain items.

I'm sure there wont just be puks and djiggas bouncing all over the dungeon and nothing more. Of course the dungeons are going to have some of the same enemies outside...its like that in most MMOs or even regular RPGs, until you get further inside.

zomg puzzles! i totally forgot that could be in there.
06-21-2011, 04:29 AM
viion

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Originally Posted by Nuru

But anyways, technically, that design is the first of its kind.

Its a new color, its identical to Harrier's, but now has a bit of white paint on it. Ya know I did something like that and it only took me 10 mins to re-texture a model.

SE Should hire me.

Grid cave is identical, the Coerthas one is quite new-though, its okay inside, but the place where the boss would seem to be is quite near the enterance and theres a lot of side paths with other rooms, maybe have to do some dynamis kind of stuff
06-21-2011, 04:30 AM
Resheph

Have to wonder why the rank 25 area is surrounded by rank 50 aggressive mobs, but I was able to solid snake my way there..
06-21-2011, 04:31 AM
DurtiMonkeyToe

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Originally Posted by viion

Its a new color, its identical to Harrier's, but now has a bit of white paint on it. Ya know I did something like that and it only took me 10 mins to re-texture a model.

SE Should hire me.

Grid cave is identical, the Coerthas one is quite new-though, its okay inside, but the place where the boss would seem to be is quite near the enterance and theres a lot of side paths with other rooms, maybe have to do some dynamis kind of stuff

You're basing this on what? Do you have a link?
06-21-2011, 04:32 AM
Reaux

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Originally Posted by Resheph

Have to wonder why the rank 25 area is surrounded by rank 50 aggressive mobs, but I was able to solid snake my way there..

Sounds dirty, i like it
06-21-2011, 04:32 AM
Teknoman

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Originally Posted by Resheph

Have to wonder why the rank 25 area is surrounded by rank 50 aggressive mobs, but I was able to solid snake my way there..

Enemies among other things are supposed to be adjusted with 1.18 as well.

Other things = stuff that fits with the battle system overhaul (equipment stats, character stats actually having an effect on things, enemies being changed to suit the new battle system as well as an overall stat adjustment, class skills being adjusted, etc.).

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

You're basing this on what? Do you have a link?

I guess he/she is talking about those glitched videos from awhile back. Honestly, we dont know if they are taking so long because they redid alot of the internal structure of the dungeons as well.
06-21-2011, 04:35 AM
Isaaru

@people complaining about reused maps: LOL why wouldn't they use the maps that were going to be used for dungeons? That would be such a waste of developed content. If you wanted another new area you'd have to wait another several months for that, and I don't think that would settle so well with all the people whining about the content taking too slow.

@people assuming these dungeons are going to be garbage: Yet another example of failed reading comprehension by the FFXIV community.

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An array of rich rewards awaits dauntless adventurers who would brave these forsaken domains, and can be obtained by vanquishing formidable foes, fulfilling certain conditions within the area, and, of course, plundering treasure chests.

Like others had said, this sounds like a salvage type of deal. You go in and the paths you choose will lead you to different outcomes. It sounds like there will be certain puzzles of sort (conditions) to spawn different monsters. It also sounds like there will be multiple notorious monsters within the dungeon similar to what FFXI has seen. (Also note we have almost all of FFXI's old dev team leaders so I would not be surprised if the dungeons were similar to those of FFXI that everyone loved so much)

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Recently, however, word has arrived by way of leaked intel that troops of foreign origin have seized occupation of the Darkhold for an as-yet unknown end.

Also on the note of having copy and paste mobs, yeah from the pictures it appears that's true. But also what are these "troops of foreign origin" maybe garleans? I don't about everyone else, but I think that would be cool fighting garleans and their machinery. Though it may not be garleans, but could be some mobs not yet added in to the game. Usually in the lore I feel they would say specifically what mob type it was if we've seen it before, but this foreign origin thing makes it sound as if it's something new.

Also, please don't whine about the "copy/paste" armor that's there. The last NM patch introduced 40 new pieces of equipment in which a decent amount were indeed not "copy/paste." I feel the FFXIV community right now in general is just complaining too much without even knowing what is actually going to happen.
06-21-2011, 04:37 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by LateReg

You ever been to Mun-Tuy or Tamtara?

Yes, and they look absolutely nothing like those pictures. Buy thicker classes, or a less biased mind.

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Originally Posted by viion

Looks shit, probably do it once and have no reply value.

copy/paste mobs
copy/paste armor
copy/paste environments

^Copy/paste (and false) trollpost about a FFXIV patch.
06-21-2011, 04:37 AM
Mug

I really hope they didn't just use those blocked off dungeons that already in the game. Adding more copy-pasted areas is not the way to go.
06-21-2011, 04:39 AM
Spitfire

I like to read these posts backwards that way I don't know what you people are talking about...
06-21-2011, 04:41 AM
EdenArchangel

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Yes, and they look absolutely nothing like those pictures. Buy thicker classes, or a less biased mind.

^Copy/paste (and false) trollpost about a FFXIV patch.

What? That is definitely a copied Mun-Tuy, lol

Hopefully a recolored Ornate Scepter closer to 50 to make THM stronger too :3
06-21-2011, 04:42 AM
Starlord

Yes its green does that make it copy/paste? not by a long shot, Reserve judgement till release
06-21-2011, 04:43 AM
EdenArchangel

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Yes its green does that make it copy/paste? not by a long shot, Reserve judgement till release

There are videos of people 'cheating' or glitching into these areas already, we know what they look like. :p
06-21-2011, 04:43 AM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by EdenArchangel

What? That is definitely a copied Mun-Tuy, lol

Hopefully a recolored Ornate Scepter closer to 50 to make THM stronger too :3

You know what else was copied?

In FFXI the Spires, or rather crags that you can enter were of similar design because they were built based around cermet and by the same people. E.g Delkfutts tower looked like Fei`yin and Palace of Velugannon/Shrine of Ru`Avitau, no one really complained about the look but rather the "puzzles" inside >.>
06-21-2011, 04:44 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by EdenArchangel

What? That is definitely a copied Mun-Tuy, lol

Nope, it looks absolutely nothing like Mun-Tuy. It's green and is coherent with the style of gridanian dungeons, but that's it. Again, better glasses are in order.

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Originally Posted by EdenArchangel

There are videos of people 'cheating' or glitching into these areas already, we know what they look like. :p

And we already saw that those videos are of areas that don't really reflect the pictures shown.
So no, we don't know what they look like.

Try again.
06-21-2011, 04:45 AM
Moth

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Yes, and they look absolutely nothing like those pictures. Buy thicker classes, or a less biased mind.

^Copy/paste (and false) trollpost about a FFXIV patch.

Srsly? Tam-Tara Deepcroft and Toto-Rak look exactly the same. Where the heck are your glasses! Lol. The cobblestone textures, the foliage. Maybe you should play the game more or at least be more observant of your surroundings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrotlNd_CxE
06-21-2011, 04:46 AM
Jennestia

I really wonder if people are expecting one dungeon in Gridania region to look like mossy cobblestone while another in the Gridania region look like the land of summons meanwhile a third looks like shinra corp. >.>
06-21-2011, 04:46 AM
EdenArchangel

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Originally Posted by Moth

Srsly? Tam-Tara Deepcroft and Toto-Rak look exactly the same. Where the heck are your glasses! Lol. The cobblestone textures, the foliage. Maybe you should play the game more or at least be more observant of your surroundings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrotlNd_CxE

Like. :p

/10
06-21-2011, 04:47 AM
Starlord

Textures from that Video and the Dungeons are noticably different but again I will reserve judgement on Release
06-21-2011, 04:47 AM
SniperRifle

Time will tell.
06-21-2011, 04:49 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Moth

Srsly? Tam-Tara Deepcroft and Toto-Rak look exactly the same. Where the heck are your glasses! Lol. The cobblestone textures, the foliage. Maybe you should play the game more or at least be more observant of your surroundings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrotlNd_CxE

Or maybe you should learn the difference between retaining coherence in texturing style and being the same.

Having cobblestone and foliage doesn't make them the same. The environment shown doesn't exist in Tam-tara. Ergo copy/paste = false. Try again.
06-21-2011, 04:51 AM
Rentahamster

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

What makes that so dumb?

Because there's no challenge in that. That's the reason for level caps on certain events in FF11.
06-21-2011, 04:52 AM
Vackashken

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Or maybe you should learn the difference between retaining coherence in texturing style and being the same.

Having cobblestone and foliage doesn't make them the same. The environment shown doesn't exist in Tam-tara. Ergo copy/paste = false. Try again.

You make such partisan post for SE its hilarious.
06-21-2011, 04:53 AM
DurtiMonkeyToe

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Because there's no challenge in that. That's the reason for level caps on certain events in FF11.

I want a challenge because of challenging content, not because of a cap that forces my level 50 PGL to run through content as a level 30. Especially if I want to run through something just for fun's sake. I'm not going to run through a level 30 dungeon because I need the gear at level 50.
06-21-2011, 04:54 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

You make such partisan post for SE its hilarious.

Demolishing completely false arguments that fly in the face of reality, unfortunately for you, doesn't equate to be "partisan".

But I know, it burns for a complainer to read it, so I don't blame you for being mad.
06-21-2011, 04:55 AM
Teknoman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBf9H...eature=related

This better be the dungeon boss battle music. No substitutes, Yoshi-P please make it happen.
06-21-2011, 04:55 AM
Mug

Well, regardless the differences are so miniscule, they're hardly worth mentioning. Anyway I've seen those areas, and unless they've changed them dramatically, they're the same copy-pasted mess the rest of the game consist of.
06-21-2011, 04:58 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Mug

Well, regardless the differences are so miniscule

A completely different 3D design hardly equates to a "minuscle" difference. Sorry to burst another big bubble.
06-21-2011, 04:58 AM
Vackashken

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Demolishing completely false arguments that fly in the face of reality, unfortunately for you, doesn't equate to be "partisan".

But I know, it burns for a complainer to read it, so I don't blame you for being mad.

Wrong. You are a trolling partisan if ever there was one. Anytime someone says something negative about this game there you are puking up the koolaide all over it. Its hilarious. And what are you wrong about? Just happens to be this time around I think people are jumping to a conclusion all to soon about something we know nothing about.

Again, I just think its hilarious watching you leap in like Errol Flynn sporting your rose-tinted glasses while waving about your SE issued cutlass.
06-21-2011, 04:59 AM
Rentahamster

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

I want a challenge because of challenging content, not because of a cap that forces my level 50 PGL to run through content as a level 30.

Which is why the cap is there, because the content is designed to be played by rank 25 characters, specifically, and be challenging to those players. You can't have the same battle content be challenging to both low and high rank players at the same time.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Especially if I want to run through something just for fun's sake.

There's the problem of players using their rank 50 characters to blaze through the dungeons to equip their rank 30 classes, instead of actually earning those items the normal way.
06-21-2011, 05:00 AM
Mug

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Originally Posted by Abriael

A completely different 3D design hardly equates to a "minuscle" difference. Sorry to burst another big bubble.

That's fine that you think so, but I think think they look almost exactly the same.
06-21-2011, 05:00 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Wrong. You are a trolling partisan if ever there was one. Anytime someone says something false about this game there you correct it

Fixed it for you.

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Originally Posted by Mug

That's fine that you think so, but I think think they look almost exactly the same.

And that's why you need thicker glasses. There's no environment in the currently open dungeons that looks even remotely like that. The 3D setup of the area is completely different.
06-21-2011, 05:02 AM
viion

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

I guess he/she is talking about those glitched videos from awhile back. Honestly, we dont know if they are taking so long because they redid alot of the internal structure of the dungeons as well.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

You're basing this on what? Do you have a link?

I'm basing it off personally going there and looking, cant post link though mods don't like it.

I'll laugh my ass off if they did rebuild it, but judging from the Grid one not a single thing has changed, it just got populated with mobs. And I'm assuming the same for the Coerthas. If in 6 months all they can do is 2 dungeons and get it delayed, i doubt they did much rebuilding, otherwise they'd also make new mob.
06-21-2011, 05:03 AM
EdenArchangel

If he enjoys it, let him. Redesigns will come since the rest of the community pushes hard for it ^^
06-21-2011, 05:04 AM
Teknoman

He's kinda got a point though, since they arent really "copy paste" as some are saying, and they do have different internal structures and set pieces than other dungeons. Plus they are instanced, so this extra time could've been used to improve the structure or add additional graphic touches.

EDIT: They dont really need to make new enemies, just populate them with enemies that arent widely seen at those ranks. Now the boss enemy should be something large/fairly different looking than a normal enemy. Even if its a really big drake, it should have a different skin texture or extra additions to the model since they use that polygon shaving tech.
06-21-2011, 05:05 AM
Mug

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Originally Posted by Abriael

And that's why you need thicker glasses.

I went to an optician the other week, and it appears I have perfect vision! :cool:
06-21-2011, 05:06 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

He's kinda got a point though.

Of course I do, but reality tends to make trolls mad.
06-21-2011, 05:07 AM
Teknoman

I'm all for redesigns, but only for places that actually need them: Most of the overworld areas.
06-21-2011, 05:07 AM
RedAffinity

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Can easy blame some trolls that continue to say "same dugeons retextured", when it's obviously not true to anyone that has eyes. The environments shown in the areas have no equivalent in the current dungeons.

And if you feel underwhelmed for two low resolution sneak peek pictures, then it's self-inflicted, as someone already said.

Well the first one looks like mun tuy cellars, the second one looks rehashed of something else we've seen a few dozen times elsewhere. The enemies in that preview are re-skinned monsters of what little variety already exists in world. I'm not complaining, i'm sharing with you some facts based on what was shown.

Some of us who are underwhelmed aren't dismissing the entire system. We're just not excited based on what's been shown thus far. Each preview is designed to inform, and sell. It's certainly attempted to inform, but I'm definitely not sold. When you have an empty canvas before you, you have every opportunity to paint the perfect picture. The fact is, what's been revealed is either an indication of rehashed content, or the team in charge of putting together previews are failing to do their jobs. The concept excites me, that preview doesn't.

don't agree? deal.

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