Jobs start @50?

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Originally Posted by Drex

if they wanted to bring back old FF names without put some offort in make "new-old" geniune classes... then, they could simply change the classes names.

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Wouldn't be so easy at all. Why? Lore. Can you imagine ravage gladiators fighting in colusseum suddenly become a holy paladin? (Yes I know PLD is not confirmed but it's perfect example).

Do you think all the specialized skills for these new jobs will be given to us, or will we have to do quests, spend guild mark points, etc for them?

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Originally Posted by Petori

Wouldn't be so easy at all. Why? Lore. Can you imagine ravage gladiators fighting in colusseum suddenly become a holy paladin? (Yes I know PLD is not confirmed but it's perfect example).

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Then dont change names.... give us only exclusive new abilities, then wait the right moment and implement new classes.

Jeez PLD cant be streamlined in a cuopple of abilities.... inconceivable.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

The journey to endgame is more fun than actually being there. At least when you have a game with content that is.

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Exactly. I looked forward to leveling new jobs. :\ That IS the fun part for me.

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Originally Posted by Drex

Then dont change names.... give us only exclusive new abilities, then wait the right moment and implement new classes.

Jeez PLD cant be streamlined in a cuopple of abilities.... inconceivable.

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Now, that would be too simple and easy for SE.

I think.... people worry too much about the names.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Do Not Want, Rage Quit. lol Seriously this so freaking counters everything FFXIV was advertised to me. I think this alone might have just broken my will to stay, I don't think Female Roegadyn are strong enough to keep me playing now.

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I feel the same.. the only reason I want to be here now is male and female Miqo'te but... more than just a character we can relate to, we need content. I'm really not looking forward to jobs at all now if they're just being handed to use like this. I was hoping to LEARN my job and TAKE TIME leveling and growing and improving my job. I love leveling. I hate endgame. If they take leveling away and just put me in endgame.. well there's no point in me even being here.

I love SE.. I just wish they wouldn't take everything I love from this game.

idk :< I have to see more.

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Originally Posted by Belial

I think.... people worry too much about the names.

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I think.... you are right.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

[COLOR="purple"]I feel the same.. the only reason I want to be here now is male and female Miqo'te but... more than just a character we can relate to, we need content. I'm really not looking forward to jobs at all now if they're just being handed to use like this. I was hoping to LEARN my job and TAKE TIME leveling and growing and improving my job. I love leveling. I hate endgame. If they take leveling away and just put me in endgame.. well there's no point in me even being here.

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Hi Nabiri,

I empathize with you. I originally approached FF XIV like FF XI, thinking that we'd focus on "1 Main Job" and a Sub perhaps, really more about depth (long time in leveling up that 1 class), but since Day 1 until now (and especially with the faster SP updates now), it's clear that that is not the focus of FF XIV.

It feels more like they want us to explore the breadth of classes and it's more "horizontal" than "vertical" so to speak. So more like trying out a bunch of Jobs ala Final Fantasy Tactics or FF V or FF XIII. With that focus and fast SP, the leveling up becomes a chore since we have so few areas to rank up in. Sure we can take our time, but even not trying, just doing Guildleve Parties and Linking, and an occasional SP Party, you get to Rank 50 pretty fast.

Having to *repeat* the entire grind from Rank 1 - 50 over and over and over again for multiple Classes is a chore already (revisiting Nanawa Mines, Broken Water, or doing the popular Cedarwood Leves, or grinding Efts or Raptors), and I couldn't imagine going to the same areas and fighting the same monsters if we had to rank the new Jobs up from 1 to 50 as well.

I'm glad you enjoy the grind, and I respect your opinion. Just that for me, I'd rather spend my time on real content, something more meaningful than just grinding Rank 1 - 50 again over and over. If you're curious about some potential stuff that could be more meaningful content, I posted up some specifics here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...875#post185875

Thanks~ :)

Kiara, your arguments look pretty but there are some flaws to them. Let's compare the anticipated job system where your class rank is the same as job rank (system X) with one which each new job starts from level 1 after unlocking (system Y).

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Originally Posted by Kiara

• Job Quest and Skill Quests: Matsui has said that we're getting Quests to unlock the Job and Skills. If this turns out to be *multiple*, challenging, interesting Quests to (A) Unlock the Job; and then (B) to Unlock Each New Skill, that's far more engaging and interesting than just getting "Paladin Rank 1" and grinding.
• Job Specific Equipment (JSE) Quests: We've seen the Concept Art for JSE Armor for Black Mage and Dark Knight, and Yoshida-san has mentioned it's coming. So this is another set of more meaningful content (instead of just grinding 1 - 50).

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Why are job quests, skill quests and JSE limited to only (system X)? Surely (system Y) will have quests to unlock the new jobs and the skill quests could be used as the main quest line of that job. Or, all classes could get new quests to unlock new skills. Nevermind the fact that there's a good chance these quests will be boring (if you find the current quests boring). Also, there's no reason why only jobs in (system X) would get JSE but jobs/classes in (system Y) wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

• Same Grind AGAIN (Leves, Efts, Raptors) To Be Able To Use New Job Fully? No Thanks.
  Let's say they gave us Paladin Rank 1 after you reached Gladiator Rank 50. Do you really want to grind the same Nanawa Mines, Efts, Raptors, Guildleves for another 50 (FIFTY) Ranks just to be able to fully utilize Paladin skills? (and then repeat that over every other Class in the game?) As much of a Final Fantasy fan as I am, I'd probably say "No."

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Originally Posted by Kiara

• 1 Job for 1 Class. More To Come / More To Explore.
  For those that are worried about 1:1 unlock, it does seem a bit limiting, but there's no reason they couldn't add more Jobs per Class later. It's better to start small and focused, instead of having too many Jobs and not have them all balanced properly (or need a lot more time before unleashing them in a Patch for us).
  
  Also, it encourages more "Class Exploration." I think one of the biggest question marks is which Class unlocks White Mage vs. Black Mage? That's a great question.
  
  As an example, let's say, Conjurer unlocks White Mage, and Thaumaturge unlocks Black Mage.
  
  At first, you might think, "Aw darn it! I'm a R50 Conjurer already and I want to cast Elemental Spells / be a Nuker!" Well, it's not a bad thing to now *explore* playing Thaumaturge to unlock the Black Mage Class. No one has said that you have to play THM to Rank 50 to unlock the Job Quest. It could be Rank 20 or 30 (which is really easy to get to with the fast SP these days). You get THM to R20 or 30, unlock the Black Mage Quest and start working your way through that (hopefully interesting set of Challenges / Quests).

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Why is it bland and the same boring old grind when leveling new jobs from level 1 but it's *exploring* and exciting when doing it on THM with a BLM job? You can have just as much fun *exploring* being a full BLM as being a THM/BLM.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

• Class Rank = Job Rank Means You're Ready for Real Raid Dungeons & New Content Now. :)
  As Wind said, grinding Rank 1 to 50 *again* on, say, Paladin, is *not* real "content." I would hope most of us would want to *use* the (hopefully) cool, new Paladin Skills / Weaponskills, *for* stuff like the Rank 30 and Rank 50 Raid Dungeons and New NMs and New Frontier Quest Hubs.
  
  So, having it so that we're the same Rank at our new Job as the Class that unlocked it means we're basically "Ready!" to jump into the exciting, meaningful real New Content as soon as it gets delivered.
  
  If it was the other way, then, say a new Patch gets released. "Oh, we have New Raid Dungeons and New NMs and Grand Company Challenges... but they're balanced for Paladin, Monk, White Mage, etc. OK, let's spend ~4 - 12 WEEKS grinding Paladin from Rank 1 to 50 and THEN we can start to have fun with those new Dungeons and Challenges." That'd be frustrating, no?

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The last point you made about having to level from 1 before exploring the new content is true. But you'd only need to get to ~20-25 before you could do the R30 content. You wouldn't need to get all the way to 50 before you start enjoying the new content. Now, what if THM unlocks BLM and BLM seems like the bee's knees to you. But, you already have THM at 50. Now, you don't get to enjoy the R30 content much.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

• Real Content: Raid Dungeons, Grand Companies, Frontier Quest Hubs
  The real "content" that's already been confirmed for this next patch 1.18 should be the R30 and R50 Raid Dungeons, which will hopefully be tied into the Grand Companies and a developing Rank System (SE has hinted that you can earn better equipment and items via the Grand Companies, so hopefully it's a long-term goal-oriented system, like a Reputation / Points System, or working towards stuff like Relic Weapons / Armor).
  
  In addition, we're getting the Frontier Quest Hubs, which should also give us more interesting things to do than repeat the same Guildleves we've been doing the past 9 months.
  
  This stuff should be the real content (along with more NMs (which they said are on the way), and more Dungeons, etc.). It shouldn't be grinding a Job from 1 - 50.

Of course all this could be moot after we find out the full details, but let's try and stay positive. ;)

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^ this.

Exactly. The new content would liven up the 1-50 grind on the new jobs.

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Originally Posted by Lautus

Kiara, your arguments look pretty but there are some flaws to them. Let's compare the anticipated job system where your class rank is the same as job rank (system X) with one which each new job starts from level 1 after unlocking (system Y).

Why are job quests, skill quests and JSE limited to only (system X)? Surely (system Y) will have quests to unlock the new jobs and the skill quests could be used as the main quest line of that job. Or, all classes could get new quests to unlock new skills. Nevermind the fact that there's a good chance these quests will be boring (if you find the current quests boring). Also, there's no reason why only jobs in (system X) would get JSE but jobs/classes in (system Y) wouldn't.

Why is it bland and the same boring old grind when leveling new jobs from level 1 but it's *exploring* and exciting when doing it on THM with a BLM job? You can have just as much fun *exploring* being a full BLM as being a THM/BLM.

The last point you made about having to level from 1 before exploring the new content is true. But you'd only need to get to ~20-25 before you could do the R30 content. You wouldn't need to get all the way to 50 before you start enjoying the new content. Now, what if THM unlocks BLM and BLM seems like the bee's knees to you. But, you already have THM at 50. Now, you don't get to enjoy the R30 content much.

^ this.

Exactly. The new content would liven up the 1-50 grind on the new jobs.

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Hi Lautus,

I wouldn't say it's flawed; it's your opinion on something, and I have my opinion. ;)

True, there absolutely can be Job Quests to unlock them even if you started at Rank 1 of a potential new Job System (so Paladin Rank 1), and you can have JSE quests in that system too. I never said you couldn't.

I said that that type of challenge, *if* they are challenging and engaging is something I'd consider real, meaningful content. Not grinding another Rank 1 - 50.

If you want to grind Paladin from R1 - 50 in an alternate system, I understand where you're coming from. I said that's not what I'd like to do, at all. It's boring and a copout for Square to hope that grinding Paladin from Rank 1 -> 50 is a replacement for giving us real content.

As for "exploring," I was addressing a point in a previous thread (look up the Dengeki Thread) from someone else, bringing up a concern about "what if CON unlocked WHM vs. BLM?" My point was (and it's confirmed now by SE) that you don't have to grind to Rank 50 to unlock a Job, so even if that poster was worried that their CON ranking up was a waste of time because they wanted it to be BLM (or WHM) and they got the opposite, that getting to Rank 20 or 30 wasn't so bad. It's better than getting it to Rank 50 (then I can see them getting really upset).

Ultimately, I know many friends on my server that don't mind and want to grind another "Job" to Rank 50, but after seeing great points made by Physic, Wind and a few others, I would agree with them, and can't wait to see Square's new Job System which has No Ranks. I'd rather spend my time doing other things that seem more interesting to me than grinding 1 - 50 again. Thanks.