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White Knight Excuse Progression

--But, But..its beta...
--But, But its open Beta..
--Be, beee patient
--Have you level 18 classes to 50? You haven't then don't say you are bored.
--Have you beat HM titan? Coil???
-- rushing lv50 in two weeks without experiencing the game
--Wait until 2.1!!!

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

I find these soap box threads where people with a huge agenda try to sound like there is a huge issue in paying 12 euros quite amusing.

I'm sorry, let me rephrase. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

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Paying for something worth paying for's a-ok. 15 bucks a month? I spend more than that on lunch quite frequently.

I won't pay five cents for something that isn't worth my time, however. The outrage is that SE didn't really seem to learn anything from FFXI's irrelevant obscurity and XIV 1.0's total washout.

For me, chrissake, I'm starving for an MMO worth my business. I could easily afford to spend hundreds of dollars a month on entertainment, if the entertainment was worth the expenditure. That's the upside of my situation. I might not have 18 hours a day to be a raid starlet, but I probably have the income of a few dozen supah-lee7 players combined.

I bought the digital collector's edition. I don't regret it; the game just doesn't feel like they've released it all yet. Obviously its not 'finished', but as I've said here and elsewhere, the game seems to taper off and largely stop at about level 35-40ish. You largely run out of quests and wind up either farming fates, or dungeons if you prefer and are able; either way, grinding like a Korean.

Maybe they get a kick out of being really farking bored in Korea. Maybe they think it 'proves their worth' in the game and its some sort of 'trial by fire that only the true, the few and the proud can overcome' or some poetic B.S; I honestly don't know. The Korean grind-game appeal makes no sense to me what so ever; none. Zero, Zip, de nadda.

No amount of apologetic proselytizing or defensive white-knightsmanship or fanboy rhetoric will ever convince me of anything, personally. The game will sell itself on my terms, or I won't pay for it.

I don't expect some notion of perfection. I do expect a Final Fantasy game to feel like I'm playing a Final Fantasy game. It stops feeling like that quite entirely roundabout level 35-40, when the grind overtakes everything. This endgame nonsense? Terribly sorry, but I can get this endgame experience...anywhere.

Better, even. I'll go play WoW for my gear treadmill interests; nobody on the market's doing it better than WoW. SWTOR's improving, if you like gear-grind raid games. Still has a ways to go, but if not WoW, I'd go with SWTOR.

This? Yet Another gear treadmill raid game fresh out the gates with all the usual new-game-is-new deficiencies?

Why? So I can look at this particular art style instead of WoW's or SWTOR's or RIFT's or Secret World's while I...do the exact same thing, only in a more miserable and less accommodating environment? I don't have to wait for hours in WoW to get into dungeons or raids, even as DPS. DPS queues still aren't great in SWTOR, but hey, my juggernaut and shadow both have tank specs, and I get to be a instaqueue god there.

Could be here too if I cared to fate grind a tank class up, but...why? Why should I even bother?

The answer is, sadly, simple; there is no reason. ARR isn't offering one single, solitary thing its competition isn't already doing far better. Except it has chocobos and moogles. SWTOR has lightsabers and Sith. WoW has...

Well, WoW's got nothing really unique at all, other than the fact that its a whole lot of fun to just...go get lost in. There's a lot to do.

Maybe, someday, ARR will not suck. Sadly, its already set itself on the course of being yet another gear treadmill game, so its always going to have a completely forgettable 'endgame' in my book, but that's me.

Subbed for 3 months, and can buy crysta now. Such a pain in the first place. >.<

Abosolutely Yes.
You dude was rushing lv50 in two weeks without experiencing the game.
i bet you didnt even craft/harvest at all.

gear and bosses are things that really excite everytime because you can really feel the differences (saying someone who is working 9 hours a day and still got a Relic).
I love the game overall.

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Originally Posted by Jaine

I will subscribe and I can't wait for the droves of bored endgamers who swear there is no game here to leave. I've been purposely leveling my toon slow to avoid the initial rush of gogogo'ers. I got completely sick of the attitudes they produce in the last 2 games I was in and want no part of it in this game. So boys, hurry up and leave already. You know there is another new game calling your name. Go go go...

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Though in my position, I'm forced to level slower, I have to agree with you that I dislike the ideal of rushing, or "keeping up with the Joneses," as they say. I've already seen people in chat asking for speed runs, or runs with only people who have gear/experience in the end game instances. For a game that's been out for only a month. It's a dark path; the one walked where people start excluding other people based on ilevels or hours played. Good players are waiting in the wings who just take more time to get to end game, either by choice or by life factors.

Of course, that's a choice thing too. People pay for this game, they can choose whether they want to have an easy run or to teach new people. I just think it says a lot about the people who choose the former. Personally, I prefer to surround myself with people who choose the latter.

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Originally Posted by Lafa

Abosolutely Yes.
You dude was rushing lv50 in two weeks without experiencing the game.
i bet you didnt even craft/harvest at all.

gear and bosses are things that really excite everytime because you can really feel the differences (saying someone who is working 9 hours a day and still got a Relic).
I love the game overall.

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Shut up ...

I subbed for 6 months cause I wanted the shiny veteran rewards and now I wish I didn't cause I am finding the game pretty soul crushing and repetitive (Titan).

Today is the first time I have found myself not caring if I log in, that can't be a good thing.

I haven't played in a week.. I could get the rest of my DL gear but what is the point. Then all I would have left is Titan HM and grinding out AK even more for myth stones.

Yes, i will be.

Nope. Just too boring for me. Have fun, kids.