Tell your healers to be better. If you have a white mage and a scholar you can get around 2k+ damage mitigation prior to the death sentence, and that isn't counting any sort of buffs the tank may use. I don't think my group has gotten any sort of tank item outside of the shield and a ring, and there has been no trouble healing them through any phase of coil including up to the phase of Twintania we are on. You just need need to adjust and get the mechanics down and be proactive instead of reactive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilJumperMT
Also, I like how absolutely none of this thread tries to put together any sort of beneficial response to the OPs question, and is instead just people attacking one another.
Binding Coil - Turn 5 - Divebomb Phase
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09-27-2013, 09:47 AMMiaBella
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09-27-2013, 09:52 AMJandaI'll answer you point for point to each quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ikkenoe
1:They did indeed actually have some interesting fights in ffxi especialy back in 75 cap days. The style of ffxi as a game design was by no means as fast as WoW so there was always going to be some differences. You say that Zdenk was referring to Darnus, yet he himself generalizes and says "JP developers" and NOT ffxiv developers so my innitial dig was at this.
2:Yet again you generlize and presume that i meant long grind = hard gameplay which btw i dont think at all. Take for example "Mario: the lost levels" back in the NES days: they didnt even release it in the west to begin with simply because they didnt think we'd like our platformers to be that hardcore and require pixel perfect jumps/actions. Fair enough they were wrong to think it but none the less they did. As for ffxi difficulty, thats all changed since 99cap for sure but it did have proper hardcore fights for those who wanted it back again in 75 days with original salvage when it came out and the many fights in Sea and no im not talking about the abusive AV's or PW's.
3:Once again you manage presume to know exactly what im talking about when i say "easymode gear seekers" At no point did i ever say WoW didnt have some hard fights bcoz it did, i would know i too played it vanilla leading up to lichking b4 i quit. I am referring instead to how it letteraly threw gear at you for each and every boss downed and not the difficulty of the boss itself. I did however like the token system so u could save up for something if you didnt get what u wanted before too long but my guild which i ran couldnt find the ppl to throw the gear at it was coming so fast.
As for Yoshi using it as the global standard? This merely bcoz WoW made mmo's popular and has nothing to do with the mechanics of the bosses themselves. Ppl didnt buy into WoW at the start thinking "holy shiz that fight looks technically awesome therefore i must experiance it!" No mate, just no. I was also an EQ player but yoshi had to make ffxiv financially successful which is WHY he considers WoW the standard for what ppl expect in a modern mmo. Wow only made mmo's cool where as before in eq days it was seen as something played by men in their 30-40's mostly which was perhaps true as kids didnt have as easy access to credit cards back then which was yet another thing WoW changed with its gamecards etc that anyone could buy to play. -
09-27-2013, 09:53 AMXilrasisVirus. Adloquium. Scholar Bubble. Tank Cooldowns. Eye for an Eye. Rain of Death. Stoneskin. Properly timed heals.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilJumperMT
Death sentence is a trivial aspect of the encounter, and if abilities are used to their fullest, gear is a complete non-factor. It comes every 30 seconds (roughly, plus or minus depending on whether she is mid fireball or plummet). There you go. Gear just allows you to screw up more. -
09-27-2013, 10:10 AMilJumperMTThey get hit with hard with the mentioned skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by Xilrasis
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09-27-2013, 10:20 AMXilrasisAnd this is why my original post was as snarky as it was. You didn't even bother to look at the list of the abilities I gave you and consider their function on Death Sentence. The first thing we did when we made it to turn 5 was go through the ability list of each and every job and figure out what would help where, and as we have seen each new boss ability we have done the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilJumperMT
We have had death sentences do literally zero damage to our tank.
Zero. 0. Nil. Nada. Cero. Zilch.
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09-27-2013, 10:37 AMilJumperMT
I'm just watching your stream right now to see :P
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09-27-2013, 10:39 AMXilrasisIts not ours, its probably Elvine's.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilJumperMT
We have several different groups in Turn 5 progressed at different points. We do not stream this group's progression. -
09-27-2013, 10:42 AMYennThey could have a Warrior tanking, in which case I can see it one shotting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilrasis
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09-27-2013, 10:48 AMXilrasisLiquid fire + DS isn't even that bad. The only times our tank is really ever in danger anymore is when someone falls asleep after doing this phase for the 20th time that night or they get hit by 3 liquid hells in a row with death sentence or two plus the healer being hit by one. This phase doesn't generally last long enough for this to be a huge issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yenn
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09-27-2013, 10:49 AMcarrawayNo way, "Talk" is sick. That Kraftwerk riff is too good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noahlimits