Please buff Succor.

Nah double whm is superior to sch and 1 whm. Double medica 2 and double regen is too good. Double whm complement each other very well.

I have done coil as sch /whm and whm + whm the difference is overwhelming.
The amount of passive raid healing 2 whms can do is ridiculous(700+700=1400 total potency for 2 medica2 pretty much a full hp heal for a dps). After you put up the double medica2 you have much more time to focus on the tanks then a sch would. Healing feels a little frantic on sch due to their lower potencies heals compared to whm who seem to get a lot of room to breath.

Nah, guilds taking one of each. SCh + WHM better. The amount of up front mitigation you get from a SCH is awesome, cuts down on raid healing needed. Fast heal up after AE makes a lot of medica 2 regen wasted. Pre-shielding lets you focus more on a tank than a whm would.

Right now, the only difference is that if you can't find a sch, then 2 whms stack a little better than when you can'tfind a whm and have to take two scholars.

End game guilds don't have that problem. It only happens in DF. Bards are the cool thing to stack.

P.S. you can always play a WHM if you don't like your class or pay 10 k seals and go dps.

The QQ is getting a bit much.

So sch has to precast succor and then cast succor 2 more times after the aoe hits. Whereas a whm can toss up 1 medica2 once after aoe and do equivalent healing to the sch . Thanks for proving my point. Sch has to spend waaay more time on the raid then whm does. You will find guilds are wanting double whm just as much or more then sch + whm.

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P.S. you can always play a WHM if you don't like your class

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Yeah i tested both sch and whm in coil whm is just way better suited for it. I am not going to gimp my fc raids.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

So sch has to precast succor and then cast succor 2 more times after the aoe hits. Whereas a whm can toss up 1 medica2 once after aoe and do equivalent healing to the sch . Thanks for proving my point. Sch has to spend waaay more time on the raid then whm does. You will find guilds are wanting double whm just as much or more then sch + whm.

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Wrong. Sch can precast and have shields eat dmg, while a whm has to spend cast time AFTER damage on medica 2, gets partial healing and the regen has to tick out to get the rest of the healing. Meanwhile, the SCH is casting Succor 2, has already had shields that absorbed and now gets healing plus instant shielding on incoming damage for full.

The SCH has massively outhealed the WHM, by pre-empting and getting full-upfront value on heals. Chances are that the raid will be topped off, leaving even more regen ticks wasted.

Stop QQing and asking to be OP. They work differently. Yes, two whms fill a raid up quickly- that is because they eat full damage. A SCH fills it up slower, but they aren't eating full damage. Play a whm and stop whining if you hate your class.

..or please go spam the boards with made up claims that everyone is stacking whms with absolutely zero evidence to try to lobby for buffs, so you can be OP. The pet UI is bad. It needs to be fixed. If you don't like the style, that is a problem with you, not the class.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Wrong. Sch can precast and have shields eat dmg, while a whm has to spend cast time AFTER damage on medica 2, gets partial healing and the regen has to tick out to get the rest of the healing. Meanwhile, the SCH is casting Succor 2, has already had shields that absorbed and now gets healing plus instant shielding on incoming damage for full.

The SCH has massively outhealed the WHM, by pre-empting and getting full-upfront value on heals. Chances are that the raid will be topped off, leaving even more regen ticks wasted.

Stop QQing and asking to be OP.

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Regeneration effect is akin to "preemptive mitigation" too, 2 regens and 2 medica 2 on tank ticking does like a cure 2 worth of healing every 3 seconds. The piddly shields that sch take so long to put up don't mitigate anything. Disco priest is so strong in wow because their shields are as strong or stronger then the others classes healing spells. But sch shield is about 1/4-1/3 strength to equivilant heal. Disco could stack their shields effect , sch can't and are penalized for trying too.

Yeah i am loving this double whm easy mode healing. Hopefully 2 whm dont get nerfed before i can abuse it and get the easy coil wins. Whm and sch share the allagan gear anyways.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Regen is preemtive migitation too, 2 regens and 2 medica 2 on tank ticking does like a cure 2 worth of healing every 3 seconds.

Yeah i love this whm easy mode healing. Hopefully 2 whm dont get nerfed before i can abuse it and get the easy coil wins.

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You obviously don't know what pre-emptive or mitigation is...HoTs are neither. A clear case of someone who cares nothing of balance and just wants to be OP because it's the only way they can get into groups. Yes- please go get those "easy coil wins" stacking whms. Tell us all about it.

Hots are passively "migitating" damage by healing it up without requiring the whm to cast the heals. Similar to shielding effect that sch can migitate damage passivelyL Hots are healing much more then shields are though

Schs shields a piddly weak sauce baby hp amounts which barely migitate anything. In fact stoneskin from whm is more or equivilant to an adlo healing shield on one target. But stoneskin sucks right?

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Hots are passively "migitating" damage by healing it up without requiring the whm to cast the heals. Hots are healing much more then shields are
Schs shields a piddly weak sauce baby hp amounts to migitate anything. In fact stoneskin from whm is more or equivilant to a shield on one target. But stoneskin sucks right?

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Please see post in other whine thread by a SCH that knows how to play. HoTs don't mitigate, they heal damage taken.

They passively heal damage which is has effect of needing less active healing. Coil fights are designed for whm healing in mind.

The oneshot mechanics do more extra damage then sch shields migitate. Generally the aoes leave the dps at 20% life or 30% life if preshielded by sch wow so big differences. Totally makes up for sch terrible healing potency.

Now i know that shield is different to hot but in the end they have similar effect. Straight after the dps gets to 20% hots will tick them back up 30% without requiring the whms to do anything actively.

Schs hp healing potency is much lower then whm because shield is part of their healing potency. So a sch in party will need to cast 2 succors because they are penalized for heaving shielding effect in their heal. Whereas whm would cast 1 aoe heal. So the damage that sch migitates is sort of pointless because they have cast an extra heal to make up for their reduced potency anyways. Which is an extra gcd that the sch is not healing a target but the whm is.

Like i said before, for shield effects to really make big difference they need to be near enough the potency of the other healer heal. Or the sch must not be penalized like they are now for having shielding effects (their base hp healing potency must be near enough to the others healers.)

whm's Stoneskin is about equivilant or higher then adloquium obviously it barely a difference doesn't it? so why are schs shields suddenly so super special awesome that we must have them for every fight.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Pre-shielding lets you focus more on a tank than a whm would.

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This right here is the biggest indication you don't know what you're talking about.