SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

I was soooo sad to see it was turned into a cheap warlock>< summoner is the reason i picked this game up. they could have done sooo much better and the job/class deserves better too imo

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Originally Posted by Kevee

And how is a Puglist playing as compared to Monk? Or Lancer to Dragoon(btw, Jump isn't used in DPS rotation due to the delay unless you power surge it first)? They're no different than ACN->SMN.


The pet isn't the focal point, oh well. As I said, that isn't the point of ARR's Summoner.

Only one viable/useful pet? Yeah, maybe in a strict DPS setting while in a light/full party. Are all abilities useful everywhere for all classes? No?

Ok then.

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Yes all classes are more useful everywhere then the summoner I will take a blm/mnk/drg/Brd over smn any day and any time end of story. When my FC see a smn join for dungeon run we will tell that smn to leave and if he doesn't we leave. You trying to defend ARR SMN is a joke it a complete abomination to Final Fantasy and MMO iteself and im disgusted that you even want to come in here and say SMN is fine and should stay as it is.

Like I said before; the only reason you play a Summoner over Arcanist is because Summoner learns Fester, a nuke that has absolutely nothing to do with summons and everything to do with Arcanist. If Summoner did not have Fester, Arcanist would be the better choice and Summoner would be a downgrade.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

You could think of it this way. It makes sense that Monk is the advanced job of Pugilist because Monk punches things. It makes sense that Dragoon is the advanced job of Lancer because Dragoon uses a lance to fight. It makes sense that Summoner is the advanced class of Arcanist because Summoners go around using Bio and various diseases... wait, what?

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^This. And it's kinda disappointing

I agree with nearly everything in the thread, but Titan being useless? Far from it. I've nearly single-handedly tanked the "Go, Go, Gorgimera" with Titan (down to 20% before Titan just got too much hate from adds and no one ever cures the tanks, much less Titan). People seriously don't give Titan enough credit; sure it takes him a bit to generate hate, but that's why he works so well with the DoT-focused SMN, as we slowly build our hate as well.

ACN/SMN really feel like they were originally a Necromancer-type class; its "disease" and "toxic" move names like Miasma, Virus, Bane, and Fester suggest as much. Somewhere along the line they must have just thought "**** it, just make it a Summoner so they'll stop asking." The class is pretty fun (I really just want a good pet class), but it doesn't feel at all like a Summoner. I'm reminded more of Necromancer from Guildwars. And Ifrit is garbage.

I don't think I have to mention any names, but gotta love THE one person in this thread who keeps defending SMN in its current form, even though the job plays nothing like a SMN, more like a poor mans warlock/necromancer.

Its even harder to take such posts serious since NO CLASS/JOB is perfect right off the bat. Defending a not only new but also broken class/job just makes you appear blinded.

Hope they change Summoner. I want Summoner, not a warlock/necromancer with a the summoner named attached to it

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

I agree with nearly everything in the thread, but Titan being useless? Far from it. I've nearly single-handedly tanked the "Go, Go, Gorgimera" with Titan (down to 20% before Titan just got too much hate from adds and no one ever cures the tanks, much less Titan). People seriously don't give Titan enough credit; sure it takes him a bit to generate hate, but that's why he works so well with the DoT-focused SMN, as we slowly build our hate as well.

ACN/SMN really feel like they were originally a Necromancer-type class; its "disease" and "toxic" move names like Miasma, Virus, Bane, and Fester suggest as much. Somewhere along the line they must have just thought "**** it, just make it a Summoner so they'll stop asking." The class is pretty fun (I really just want a good pet class), but it doesn't feel at all like a Summoner. I'm reminded more of Necromancer from Guildwars. And Ifrit is garbage.

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That's pretty much the only use anyone has for him and topaz carbuncle: tanking fates.

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Originally Posted by KingBerry

When my FC see a smn join for dungeon run we will tell that smn to leave and if he doesn't we leave.

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You sound like a really nice group of people.

ever had a SUM at the Demon Wall?

Is it to late to say i told you so to the people who said we couldn't judge the pets till the game was out.