lore-friendly transitioning methods

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Originally Posted by Arwen2

“Most” absolutely do not suffer. Again, I am not saying all children will self harm if they cannot transition, nor am I saying that any child who says they want to marry their best friend at 6 years old means force transitioning. That is absurd. Research has shown that self harm at any age for LGBTQIA+ , stems from a lack of support. Parents are in charge of making sure their children eat, sleep, have a roof over their heads, and that they do not harm themselves, whether it’s falling off a jungle gym or playing with fire. It is not a parents job to dictate their thoughts and reality, it is a parents job to nurture their reality and nourish creativity. Their true nature will flourish on its own if the environment cares for it. A slippery slope is 100% not a core part of critical thought, and that is frightening to even see it in writing.

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Most do suffer. By introducing the idea that they can or are born in the wrong body you've added massive existential stressors to their lives in a particularly vulnerable stage in their life. Its even worse when this comes from the media or a teacher at a school who is almost intentionally trying to divide their children from their parents. A lack of parent/guardian support is going to result in higher rates of self harm regardless, but you can't always accept and support everything your child does. It is a parent's job to dictate their child's thoughts and reality. Its also a parent's job to correct their children in the right ways so that it doesn't get internalized as hatred, or abandonment. Thats how you raise children safely and how you raise healthy, productive, successful children. Slippery slope is core to critical thought, but I can't really seem to get you to understand anything that is actually true. Children do not come to these conclusions on their own.

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Originally Posted by RaionKansen

Most do suffer. By introducing the idea that they can or are born in the wrong body you've added massive existential stressors to their lives in a particularly vulnerable stage in their life. Its even worse when this comes from the media or a teacher at a school who is almost intentionally trying to divide their children from their parents. A lack of parent/guardian support is going to result in higher rates of self harm regardless, but you can't always accept and support everything your child does. It is a parent's job to dictate their child's thoughts and reality. Its also a parent's job to correct their children in the right ways so that it doesn't get internalized as hatred, or abandonment. Thats how you raise children safely and how you raise healthy, productive, successful children. Slippery slope is core to critical thought, but I can't really seem to get you to understand anything that is actually true. Children do not come to these conclusions on their own.

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Most do not suffer. And as life continues, so does exposure to many things that need guidance. I have literally been advocating for a safe space for children to flourish on their own without forcing gender roles onto them. And it is insulting to consider that adults in critical roles are dividing children from their parents if all they are doing is supporting and being a resource for attention where it’s needed. Slippery slope, again. A parent should provide guidance, never be a dictator in the lives of their children. Guidance helps children learn with reason and understanding, not by “because I said so”. I can’t seem to get you to understand anything really.

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Originally Posted by RaionKansen

To be fair, some of this is a big part of the bastardization of the EN localization.

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It's not though. Haurchefant is much hornier in the Japanese script than the English script. Mitron and Loghrif are still female lovers in the Japanese script. All of the dialogue and scripts for all languages are written with input with writers from all the language teams in the same room. You can't just lord the Japanese script as being superior to all others:

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Originally Posted by Kate Cwynar - English Localization and Lore Lead

The main teams we end up working with directly here in Japan are the event team (responsible for lore and story), and the cutscene team. I work with the former frequently on lore and naming checks. This involves a lot of them sending me large files to comment on, and also more casual back-and-forths via messenger where we ask questions, discuss ideas, or lament the fact that there are so many fire attacks because we’re really running out of synonyms.

When it comes time to translate and record the voiced scenes for main scenario, representatives from each language usually meet with the writer in charge about how long it will take to act out the lines that need to be synchronized to animations, to see if we need to adjust the script or performance in order for all languages to take roughly the same amount of time.

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The English team is directly involved in naming skills and locations, while all the translation teams are involved in culture worldbuilding, creature concepts, and dialogue:

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Originally Posted by David Fehrman - FFXIV German Translator

The English team is actively involved in naming of skills and location names, etc. and the wider localization team is invited to provide ideas and concepts for new creatures from their various cultures. Then there are situations where we do culture checks and flag potential issues in the story to avoid misunderstandings or to cater to contemporary cultural developments.

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You're spreading misinformation while purposefully derailing a thread in an effort to proselytize your views. If you're not interested in the lore discussion, you should leave.

This thread has derailed, it's not about what is healthy for children or if being trans is right or wrong. Op wanted know how someone would transition in this game.

I am not trans, but if I to role play as one, then I would some form of aether manipulation to alter my form or I would buy a fantasia.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I am not trans, but if I to role play as one, then I would some form of aether manipulation to alter my form or I would buy a fantasia.

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I don't know if aether manipulation alone would be able to change the physical form unless it's something as violent as severe tempering. Transformation and transmogrification magicks akin to the Toad spell would probably be the most practical method. We do have cases of long-lasting shape-changing enchantments like what Voidmage Cessair did to transform Cait Sith into her familiar, so that's another potential avenue.

So taking a different approach than 'what options would literally exist in-universe', I do want to say that, in my experience knowing and meeting plenty of people who write or play trans characters in roleplaying or fanworks, most of them actually do just go for the medicinal option. They parallel actual real-life hormone therapy rather than picking a fantastical approach. It's not the only approach I've seen, but it definitely seems like it's in the majority; it's what lets them reflect their own reality, and write a process that they know and typically like the results of. Hormones do a hell of a lot more than you probably expect!

As much as Fantasias nebulously exist, and as much as transformation magic might work (I would expect maybe with unknown negatives), I do want to tell the cis people of this community that the trans people tend to pick the hormones. 'I would just get a Fantasia' is not the option that resonates.


Hilariously, the second most popular option after hormones in my experience isn't 'Fantasia' or 'known transformation magic', it's probably 'desperate void magic that was definitely a bad idea'. Which might help to highlight that to most trans people trying to reflect transness in their own work, depicting the journey is just as if not more more important than the end result, even if that journey was not necessarily a positive one.

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Originally Posted by Arwen2

Conversation not for you. Feel free to find a conversation that meets your needs in another thread.

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I’m allowed to voice my opinions. Especially when one is utter trash & the reason why the game is what it is today. You do realize many player drop off from the game right because of the story, and the toxic english voice actor for wuk lamat right? And no, it’s not normal for that much fo a player drop off soon after dawntrail was released. People like you are destroying the community.

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Originally Posted by Hazelx3

Youre asking for documentation on things that are already shown through character arcs and lore. If you cant look past the surface level dialogue, youre never going to get why people are discussing this in the first place

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Source? Is it in the volume 3 of the ffxiv books that i have to purchase. And no, i doubt any of the books state this.

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Originally Posted by JerryBerrry

Source? Is it in the volume 3 of the ffxiv books that i have to purchase. And no, i doubt any of the books state this.

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Literature and character development arent facts found in a guidebook they are interpreted
If you need a printed source to tell you how to read a story then I cant help you

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Originally Posted by JerryBerrry

I’m allowed to voice my opinions. Especially when one is utter trash & the reason why the game is what it is today. You do realize many player drop off from the game right because of the story, and the toxic english voice actor for wuk lamat right? And no, it’s not normal for that much fo a player drop off soon after dawntrail was released. People like you are destroying the community.

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If I’m reading this correctly, you are saying that the game has been destroyed because people care that the game is inclusive? No, it is not normal for people to drop off a game just because people care to be represented in a game that connects the world. That is very telling. It says a lot about the world today and the lack of empathy in the hearts of those who rage quit or put communities down online.