I think FFXIV should be more political actually

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

While I personally enjoyed 7.2 - 7.3 more, both of these patches still suffers from narrative issues inherited from post-EW to 7.0.

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Disagree with this. The patches failed to live up to the potential created by 7.0. Despite its fallings the core DT expansion dealt with political concepts in a more mature way than the patches so far. 7.3 was particularly guilty of flattening societal experiences and devolving the game world into a simpler, more convenient political landscape.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

Why in the world would I trust Sphene? She couldn't be more obvious if she held a giant neon "I'm the villain" sign.

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when alexandria attacked tuliyollal sphene was right there. we saw her and yet we didnt say anything to anyone. not even when we met her.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Disagree with this. The patches failed to live up to the potential created by 7.0. Despite its fallings the core DT expansion dealt with political concepts in a more mature way than the patches so far. 7.3 was particularly guilty of flattening societal experiences and devolving the game world into a simpler, more convenient political landscape.

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huh DT is literally political wanna know why?



YOU CHOOSE THE NEW PRESIDENT! like legit we put our nose not only in politics but literally into a election -_- and when one didn't get pick he want into a other place conquer it then declare war with the queen on the other because he couldn't be the president -_-


Like it's the full DT expension then you are in patch 7.1 to 7.3 try to bring back the original queen into power to help people and everyone find out >~>

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

huh DT is literally political wanna know why?



YOU CHOOSE THE NEW PRESIDENT! like legit we put our nose not only in politics but literally into a election -_- and when one didn't get pick he want into a other place conquer it then declare war with the queen on the other because he couldn't be the president -_-


Like it's the full DT expension then you are in patch 7.1 to 7.3 try to bring back the original queen into power to help people and everyone find out >~>

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I never said DT isn't political. Did you quote the wrong person?

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Originally Posted by Exmo

I never said DT isn't political. Did you quote the wrong person?

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probably yes I was paying half attention xx)

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Disagree with this. The patches failed to live up to the potential created by 7.0. Despite its fallings the core DT expansion dealt with political concepts in a more mature way than the patches so far. 7.3 was particularly guilty of flattening societal experiences and devolving the game world into a simpler, more convenient political landscape.

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I'm not even gonna disagree. But DT flipping the script from the super weak political tension, weird regulator lore, and hyper fixation on a flat character the writer is determined to make us love, to introducing Calyx and and real Sphene and going all in for the JRPG bombast and vastly reducing the former ideas was such a refreshing change of pace. Absolutely guilty pleasure for me, but it's starting to feel like covering up a bad taste with pure sugar.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

I'm not even gonna disagree. But DT flipping the script from the super weak political tension, weird regulator lore, and hyper fixation on a flat character the writer is determined to make us love, to introducing Calyx and and real Sphene and going all in for the JRPG bombast and vastly reducing the former ideas was such a refreshing change of pace. Absolutely guilty pleasure for me, but it's starting to feel like covering up a bad taste with pure sugar.

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don't forget the scion feeling like exposition dump to and nothing else really none of them felt... well themself

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

huh DT is literally political wanna know why?



YOU CHOOSE THE NEW PRESIDENT! like legit we put our nose not only in politics but literally into a election -_- and when one didn't get pick he want into a other place conquer it then declare war with the queen on the other because he couldn't be the president -_-


Like it's the full DT expension then you are in patch 7.1 to 7.3 try to bring back the original queen into power to help people and everyone find out >~>

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What people are asking for is political INTRIGUE and STAKES.

I actually want important story characters to die epically. I hate if they get resurrected. Can Raubahn not split some more Lalas in half? Good times.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Bakool Ja Ja's unearned sudden 180 is just another one of those really "miss the mark" moments of Dawntrail writing, where they are literally asking you to act dumb and shut out all information you've been given so far and just trust them that he is good now, because the music and plot says so. It's really really reaaaaally bad writing. Like compare that to Fordola and how they handled her.

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I think the main difference between them was that Fordola went to jail, and when she was given a chance to redeem herself, she was still under tight watch and faced judgement. It's like everyone forgot Bakool Ja Ja was involved in literal terrorism by freeing Valigarmanda..? And then he got a job in Tuliyollal's guard, which made zero sense to me. He can do a 180 when he finally realizes we're not trying to demonize him and want to give him a chance, but he still has to answer for his crimes and redeem himself in the eyes of the people affected by his actions, not unlike Fordola.



Percibel worded it better than me:

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

I think the lack of consequences is one of the biggest parts of why Dawntrail came up short. Now, I'm not one of those people who are clamoring to have characters die (when that happens in a lot of stories, it's just a lazy shorthand for emotional investment) but I do think that characters having to deal with the fallout of their bad choices would make the story much more believable. Remember Alphinaud and the Crystal Braves?

The other problem is that we seem to never learn from said bad choices and their consequences. I hate that the game makes my WoL an idiot. Why in the world would I trust Sphene? She couldn't be more obvious if she held a giant neon "I'm the villain" sign. Why did we just stand by and watch the duel go down the way it did when Zoraal Ja was obviously cheating? Like...you know it's bad when Alisae of all people is the voice of reason.

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lol, poor Alisaie catching strays!

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

I actually want important story characters to die epically. I hate if they get resurrected. Can Raubahn not split some more Lalas in half? Good times.

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Good times indeed, my friend, good times... maybe it is time to pay an old friend's memorial a visit again.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

No, it's just a good game, I think you would benefit from playing it. I think everyone should play Tetris and return their game minds to factory settings.

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You're a big Tetris fan, but what are your thoughts on the Puyo Puyo x Tetris x Hatsune Miku crossover? I think it's delightfully cute and frustrating in equal measure.
It exists. Look it up.