Stop forcing female clothes on me

I agree everyone should be able to dress fully masculine or feminine if they want too. I have the opposite problem than you op, I often feel like I'm sifting through tons of masculine options with only a handful of feminine. These patches are the first time in a while I've gotten a lot more options. But I think this is a great time to point that despite being on opposite sides, and possibly having different viewpoints, this is a great way to suggest this is why we should have completely unrestricted glams. Cross-job glams can very easily help re: healers leaning towards long robes vs the general more heavy armor of fending/maiming, and making masc/fem variants but allowing them on either body would very easily give everyone the ability to be satisfied with the presentation of their glams.

When I saw that the new alliance raid aiming set had a male variant I was so bummed out like why cant we have both? I know it'll be a big jump but its time to give players the choice. (It would also look good on female characters too!)

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Originally Posted by Bryson

masuline like these guy or nah? which arbitrary time period are we going with as the normative standard for "masculine clothes."

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You have got to be joking ? Are you seriously going back 1800 years to try and prove a point on something? They didnt have many clothing options back then its not like they could head down to the store and pick from isle 5 and get the best jeans ever! You have lost the plot. These people struggled in winters and had to wear thick robing to stay ALIVE.

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Originally Posted by Bryson

oof you're not too bright. i'll spell it out.

"dresses,robes, literally anything of cloth (depending how reductive the person's argument is) are often a go to example of "feminine clothing" despite the fact that historically, clothing disproportinately associated with a gender in one time period, has been worn by other genders in another time period. It's almost as if, clothing isn't gendered to begin with.

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Grow up Bryson and do better. Insulting people isn’t necessary.

Y'shtola has great jeans.

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Originally Posted by Ephremjlm

Reading these comments was giving me a headache. I'm a pretty liberal dude, but this is the type of thing that black pills people. Idk why anyone is playing these games arguing. We live in the current day, we ALL know what OP meant and to say you didn't or to try and paint them as some bad guy when they are communicating a well understood concept across the globe is asinine.

This isn't a debate over gender roles. OP just wants more masculine clothing. A good example of this is for the new FFXI raids they give us the old Dancer artifact gear, but they ONLY give us the female versions even though there is a male version. No one cares if you can equip it with both genders. Do it and have a blast, but I think their point is fair. I mean in most cases tank gear has some kind of skirt attached. Not a big fan of that either.

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Some sort of mail skirt (often with additional fabri, is a standard part of plate armour design, it would look weird without that.

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Originally Posted by maidgil

I agree everyone should be able to dress fully masculine or feminine if they want too. I have the opposite problem than you op, I often feel like I'm sifting through tons of masculine options with only a handful of feminine. These patches are the first time in a while I've gotten a lot more options. But I think this is a great time to point that despite being on opposite sides, and possibly having different viewpoints, this is a great way to suggest this is why we should have completely unrestricted glams. Cross-job glams can very easily help re: healers leaning towards long robes vs the general more heavy armor of fending/maiming, and making masc/fem variants but allowing them on either body would very easily give everyone the ability to be satisfied with the presentation of their glams.

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One thing I don’t get is why people act like robes are inherently feminine?

Even disregarding irl examples from the past. Robes are a standard clothing of a male mage in fantasy since forever and save for rare few, most caster and healer glams lean into that wizard/mage aesthetic.

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Originally Posted by AntoniusQuil

One thing I don’t get is why people act like robes are inherently feminine?

Even disregarding irl examples from the past. Robes are a standard clothing of a male mage in fantasy since forever and save for rare few, most caster and healer glams lean into that wizard/mage aesthetic.

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Oh I definitely don't think the classic mage/healing robes are inherently feminine. As someone who loves older RPG aesthetics especially. I'm more just disinclined to argue on a forum about something no one here is going to change their minds on and is counterintuitive. I don't share the same viewpoint as OP and some others when it comes to gender and clothing, but I do think freedom of expression is important, and if they feel like its too feminine for them? Shrug. Personally I find most of the examples given in here not anywhere near feminine. But why fight over that?Great then join the rest of us asking for unrestricted clothing! Feedback should be productive and I think more things could be done if we just accept the end result will be same for a lot of people to get what they are asking for.

Look okay, as we all know. The Ancient Romans of the TK Max set the clothing conventions down in stone and they cannot ever, nor should not ever change. Jeans are for barbarians! It's not as if clothing has any kind of current modern cultural relevance or anything!

It's not like we can just accept that people can wear whatever they want but also accept that there are specific social conventions applied to various stitches of fabric!

Culture isn't real! It's all made up! It's a lie! Reeeeeee!

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Originally Posted by AntoniusQuil

One thing I don’t get is why people act like robes are inherently feminine?

Even disregarding irl examples from the past. Robes are a standard clothing of a male mage in fantasy since forever and save for rare few, most caster and healer glams lean into that wizard/mage aesthetic.

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Robes is not necessarily feminine.

But let's look at WHM AF gear, for instance. An AF gear should be always gender neutral, right? But only ARR, SB and DT WHM AF Gear looks good on males.

The problem is not S-E releasing robes. The problem is them releasing robes that's too feminine and not giving casters another set that is more masculine-looking.

And maybe we can see almost same problem with female tanks. They are resistant to release more armors that looks good on woman. Again, to see it let's look at AF gear, but this time WAR. Which of those looks good on a woman body? Why not releasing armors that fits well in feminine curves?

I think all OP wanted is diversity. Because not all healers are girls and not all tanks are boys.