Can I ask why Creative Business Unit 3 are radio silent on the issue of Forked Tower?

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

good ol' blame the playerbase for our poor communication.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

To be fair, if you literally go "then eat cake" its clear they get quite the backlash...

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Pretty much.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

as I said in another thread :



They keep the direction they chosen until the end (of the expansion), even with the majority of people saying to them they're wrong. You have to reach the whole Wuk Lamat fiasco lvl of backlash for them to think about changing something right now. Honestly, the backlash on Forked tower isn't that big compared to that one. r/ffxiv is even back at shoting down any criticism. I hope I'm wrong, but they'll probably not mention anything during next LL.

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Tbf that's literally every criticism with xiv reddit. I remember when Chaotic came out, everyone who so much as said something remotely negative about how it was got shot down.
While at this point it's copium, I'm interested to see what they will say about this because even the Japanese playerbase doesn't like it.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

I really like OC. And I really want to continue liking it, but the only reason to continue doing anything in OC at this point (at least for me) is if I want to continue mastering jobs and upgrading gear to be more useful in Forked Tower. With FT the way it is (inability to queue or get a pre-made into that zone), I have no urge to return to OC until Relic Step 2 is released. Then I'll grind whatever the new nonsense is for a week and leave it behind again.

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I also like the basis of OC, but with the way FT is, after doing all I wanted (500 fates, 500 CEs, leveling all the jobs, getting the gear I want) I'm left standing around scratching my head going "so.... What do I do now?"

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

as I said in another thread :



They keep the direction they chosen until the end (of the expansion), even with the majority of people saying to them they're wrong. You have to reach the whole Wuk Lamat fiasco lvl of backlash for them to think about changing something right now. Honestly, the backlash on Forked tower isn't that big compared to that one. r/ffxiv is even back at shoting down any criticism. I hope I'm wrong, but they'll probably not mention anything during next LL.

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I think Reddit explains a lot. You barely find any critical posts. I once signed up to Reddit a while back, because I wanted a discussion rather than to just air my thoughts, or get a simple answer.
Back then my critical posts were more just skeptical questions, because back then I thought I was doing something wrong. (I wasn't the options I'd later find out were just as bad as they seemed)
My post was just deleted.
Then i find out they could just make posts invisible without you knowing, ghost you , gaslight you. (So i deleted the whole useless account)
If you look at Reddit its all lovely cutesy Safe for work fan art and commissions.
If you look at the posts it's all roses and bunnies about occult. There isn't a single sentiment that gets any notice.
Even if you search for occult, you can literally find out which are going to be positive and which are negative from the updates, positive posts get upvotes, negative get none.

It is the epitome of "if you don't like it, go away and play other games".

It's the worst circle jerk I've ever encountered. How Reddit is still going I don't understand. Week actually I do people love to seek validation of their own preconceptions. We all do.

I can easily believe CB3 head to Reddit when they want to believe it can't be so that bad.

And why is this forum site so typically Square Enix Webserver jank.
It's like something put together using Macromedia Dreamweaver.

Square Enix, if you could even be bothered to host images, andc provide proper activity boards, and make it vaguely mobile friendly you might actually get some of that fan love on here.
Instead you have to fart about posting to some third party CDN, and then link it. Which still doesn't work properly half the time.

1. Gather 48 people with discord. I will give passcode 30 min before raid. Please dont pre-join.
2. 40 min before raid. Private pf shows up. "hmm, how come that the 6 groups are already 75% filled, i havent even seen the passcode yet.."
3. Spend almost an hour to get everyone into the same instance.
4. Grind Fate and CE till red weather.
5. Oops someone locked into a CE and can't get out to join Tower.
6. Let's w8 for the next one cause no one wanna go out and waste another hour to que into the same instance.
7. Seems like people have noticed how little amount of players were doing fate/ce during red weather.
8. Aaah, Red weather, Let's go team.
9. Hmm, seems like we have some randoms are also here waiting to que. How come???
10. Quick quick put in sipher and hopefully no snipers.
11. Oops, we got 2 randoms in the group. How do we deal with it?
12. Raid lead: We let them die and dont res them. They have no right to join the content we are entitled for.
13. First boss: OMG one forgot to stack.. Wipe..
14. Raid Lead: Good, now the randoms are dead. Lets proceed and have fun.
15. "Thank you everyone for the raid. Dont forget to promote our big casual discord server. The more ppl we get the better"
16. I Love this content. Lets repeat from 1.

Cause they suck? There is no reason to believe they give a shit since the raid got the streamer attention they wanted. Just assume the content is dead for you, forever at this point.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

Wait until the 20th (when the next LL is) to see if they say anything. If they don't, that's when I'd start getting frustrated (well, more then we already are having FT being like this in the first place).
I'm huffing the copium that they will actually say something because even the Japanese playerbase is extremely confused about it, many of them on their own forums saying they will skip it. They use Discord way less then we do.

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The 20th of when, next year?

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Originally Posted by RyomaUchi

1. Gather 48 people with discord. I will give passcode 30 min before raid. Please dont pre-join.
2. 40 min before raid. Private pf shows up. "hmm, how come that the 6 groups are already 75% filled, i havent even seen the passcode yet.."
3. Spend almost an hour to get everyone into the same instance.
4. Grind Fate and CE till red weather.
5. Oops someone locked into a CE and can't get out to join Tower.
6. Let's w8 for the next one cause no one wanna go out and waste another hour to que into the same instance.
7. Seems like people have noticed how little amount of players were doing fate/ce during red weather.
8. Aaah, Red weather, Let's go team.
9. Hmm, seems like we have some randoms are also here waiting to que. How come???
10. Quick quick put in sipher and hopefully no snipers.
11. Oops, we got 2 randoms in the group. How do we deal with it?
12. Raid lead: We let them die and dont res them. They have no right to join the content we are entitled for.
13. First boss: OMG one forgot to stack.. Wipe..
14. Raid Lead: Good, now the randoms are dead. Lets proceed and have fun.
15. "Thank you everyone for the raid. Dont forget to promote our big casual discord server. The more ppl we get the better"
16. I Love this content. Lets repeat from 1.

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All the reason to cancel sub.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

This is just going to become gatekeeped/discord content swiftly like Bozja did.

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It's already 100% gatekept at this point, you literally can not make this up. And you can't even get into a run via discord cause of all the jank and effort it requires to 'host' a run from outside of the game. The demand is greater than the amount of runs that are hosted. It's a complete and utter disastrous mess.

You could ask the same about a lot of issues we've had. Unfortunately, there's no community manager actively addressing concerns on the forums, and the Live Letters tend to only feature cherry-picked questions and feedback. It took a serious issue like the stalking plugin, which involved the IRL privacy of the game's subscribers, for them to respond early and have Yoshi-P posting here — even then, the 8-month "fix" was bypassed within a few days.

We never know if they'll stay silent on a problem or address it a year later. Both options are bad for the game and there is really no middle ground.

I had a revelation the other day, and I'm just going to copy paste my other post.

They make Chaotic. There is considerable backlash. Maybe even huge.
Then they make another instance like Chaotic, but now they make REALLY sure casuals don't stand a chance of even getting in without involvement in a discord that only experienced hardcore players will be able to get approved to.
I too have been sitting here going, "what were they thinking?"

However, I now realise they knew 'exactly' what they were thinking. These people just aren't stupid. They are not.
We know they aren't stupid.
So the only thing that remains is it's deliberate.

They were willfully caring only to seriously cater for high end. 'Every' indicator corroborates that but I just haven't wanted to think it.
They will have known what these actions will continue to do to the community and gaming demographic, and that is the point we need to take away.

Not rational financial sense? Since when have people been rational?
Yes there will be motivations, but those could be anyone's and anything.

What we have seen goes beyond accidental oversight.

It just does. They are 'not' stupid.

(Either that or one last option, which was they were trying to separate hardcore, from super hardcore, and educate them as to what it feels like to be a casual sitting on the sidelines watching everyone else have fun. But that would be stupid because it assumes that group have good empathy, and I'm not being snarky but that's just clearly not the case. This would be extra levels of ludicrous thinking.)