"Future battle design may cause difficulty with casting spells"

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Originally Posted by Taranok

EW comes in, the devs made the 'difficult' decision of making a semi-permanent passive actually just always active in AF/UI, and more importantly, added Paradox. A button you always wanted to press because it did more raw DPS than fire 4. At this point, paradox was doing the job of the timers, but the timers were still there.

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Paradox and the timers served different functions. While Paradox did help in breaking up Fire IV spam, by itself it doesn't contribute to the rotation structure of decision making. We can see that now where it gets cast whenever in the rotation and is sometimes skipped without the timer putting some additional constraints on the rotation.

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For most skilled BLM players, the timers were a nuisance at best, and a major source of anxiety at worst. Good riddance to bad rubbish, may the timers rot in hell.

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I don't see how they would be a nuisance. They were the class and without them you're pressing a handful of buttons without much consideration. The timers were a good thing when you look at how FF14's gameplay works. Removing them just sabotages BLM.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Combos do stay indefinitely now. If you hit the wrong button, you can still continue the combo without getting the potency increase. It doesn't change your rotation going forward from the mistake. Do you even play melee? Or when you mess up a combo, do you really start it over from the beginning instead of just continuing? Even the most basic guides will tell you to just continue the rotation, it's a dps loss to miss combo, but it's an even further dps loss to try to correct it.

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1. Your combos are on a timer, 30 seconds, just because it's long does not mean it's indefinite. I was being sarcastic about these points for a reason.

2. Your combo breaking can ruin your rotation. No it is not always again to continue with the combo and sometimes it is outright not possible. Here are some examples: DRG not actually getting chaotic thrust because of broken combo, you don't get the DoT, you don't get the extension of the combo, you lose Drakesbane. Reaper on the other hand can continue the shroud combo at a slight potency loss. GNB if you break Gnashing fang combo, or Reign of beasts combo, you lose these combos outright cannot continue at all and a ton of potency goes out the window.

I cannot believe you confidently sat there and made those points that are just blatantly incorrect and asked me if I even played melee to begin with. I think it's time to discard your opinions.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Combos do stay indefinitely now. If you hit the wrong button, you can still continue the combo without getting the potency increase. It doesn't change your rotation going forward from the mistake. Do you even play melee? Or when you mess up a combo, do you really start it over from the beginning instead of just continuing? Even the most basic guides will tell you to just continue the rotation, it's a dps loss to miss combo, but it's an even further dps loss to try to correct it.

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Are you seriously telling us that if you break and miss step 2 of a basic combo, you're going to press 3 just after instead of going back to 1? For example on RPR, you're going to press 3 (280p and no resource generation) instead of going back to 1 (420p) and start over with the correct buttons?

hmm guess the youtuber guides were wrong but that makes sense. melee wouldn't work without combos though, and BLM already has enough of that with AF3, UI3, and mana management. The timers are redundant and it's for the best that they were removed.

Aren't you confusing this with saying that you should continue a melee combo even if you miss a positional (which wasn't the case before Stormblood because missing positionals would break combos)?

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Originally Posted by Valence

Aren't you confusing this with saying that you should continue a melee combo even if you miss a positional (which wasn't the case before Stormblood because missing positionals would break combos)?

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nah there are guides that say you should just continue the combo lol, either way it's not really something I think about because hitting combos is the most intuitive thing and really hard to mess up.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Aren't you confusing this with saying that you should continue a melee combo even if you miss a positional (which wasn't the case before Stormblood because missing positionals would break combos)?

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Pretty sure the confusion stems from whether you should reset a combo path when you started the wrong one or finish it.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Good thing to pounce on though, you really showed me for not having much experience with being wrong in my rotation.

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It is a good thing to pounce on, indeed. For someone throwing a hugely condescending sentence like "Do you even play melee ?" only to then immediately say something blatantly wrong and displaying your lack of basic knowledge about melee is kinda hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Yeonhee

It is a good thing to pounce on, indeed. For someone throwing a hugely condescending sentence like "Do you even play melee ?" only to then immediately say something blatantly wrong and displaying your lack of basic knowledge about melee is kinda hilarious.

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Basic knowledge about failing rotations, sure.