The 7.2 Frontline changes are EXCELLENT

Fast paced battle high promotes stomping, they need to either lower bonuses or completely remove this broken system. Frontline actions are meh, give people more CC options. Melees/tanks as usual immortal unless you focus them with a lot of people, it's stupid. Also either rework pld invuln or change it for frontline specifically. Wotlk priest can mass dispel, ff14 paladin on the other hand can just walk around and grief your team.


But yeah it's thread from premade abuser, ofc he will like more ways to have unfair game.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

Fast paced battle high promotes stomping, they need to either lower bonuses or completely remove this broken system. Frontline actions are meh, give people more CC options. Melees/tanks as usual immortal unless you focus them with a lot of people, it's stupid. Also either rework pld invuln or change it for frontline specifically. Wotlk priest can mass dispel, ff14 paladin on the other hand can just walk around and grief your team.


But yeah it's thread from premade abuser, ofc he will like more ways to have unfair game.

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That's some bad take right here. Fast pace doesn't promote stomping since it swings more actually. FL actions are pretty fun. Melee/tanks are ABSOLUTELY not immortal, tf are you on: diabrosis and rampage are everywhere, ranged rack up bh like crazy. They foil quickly. Unless they go rampart in which case you should know better. Pld's lb is fine, git gud, or return to wow, this is nothing alike.

Your whole post reads like you have 0 clue about what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

But yeah it's thread from premade abuser, ofc he will like more ways to have unfair game.

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Sorry, can't hear you from the top of the leaderboard.

But no, earning battle high at a fast pace actually stops snowballing. If a bunch of low battle high group kills a max battle high one, the lower team comes out around BH 2-3, while the max one goes to BH 3. It's more even than ever.

Talking of leaderboards, the Frontline one would actually mean something if it separated light parties and solo players.

Edit: Like it would still be a participation trophy, reflecting SE places engagement over skill.

What would be really useful is if the leaderboard gave win% after a qualifier of ~50 matches, with different leaderboards for solo players and light parties.

But they will never do this because it'll reveal the obvious problem with the mode.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Admittedly, comebacks were a myth already, but yeah, the new BH change has been causing some record clear times I've noticed (at least on Aether) with only Secure being the outlier because of the massive score requirement and even then, it's not hard for the team in 1st to keep it, they just have to hold it longer, which is easy right now when most people don't know how to play the map, can't play it well, or tunnel-vision onto nodes/drones the same way they do ice.

But then maybe that was Square-Enix's intention, to turn Frontlines into quick sessions where you can call GG early and catch up on something else in another monitor, lol.

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It's not the case except for shatter. And shatter should just be erased plain and simple. Admittedly some people achieve way more bh than they should have, but the battles aren't any more one-sided than before. Having a bad team condemns you but it is the same as before pretty much.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Talking of leaderboards, the Frontline one would actually mean something if it separated light parties and solo players.

Edit: Like it would still be a participation trophy, reflecting SE places engagement over skill.

What would be really useful is if the leaderboard gave win% after a qualifier of ~50 matches, with different leaderboards for solo players and light parties.

But they will never do this because it'll reveal the obvious problem with the mode.

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Are you referring to FL standings?

I think changing it to % based would not help. Johnny Premader will still top the chart because he and his discord friends played shatter where they got a 80% win rate and didn't pay anything else because it would just drop their ratio. So long as you have groups like that, Standings are and will continue to be a useless metric of anything.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Are you referring to FL standings?

I think changing it to % based would not help. Johnny Premader will still top the chart because he and his discord friends played shatter where they got a 80% win rate and didn't pay anything else because it would just drop their ratio. So long as you have groups like that, Standings are and will continue to be a useless metric of anything.

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FL standings are worthless for multiple reasons, I agree. If the 7.2 meta evolves how I expect, however, and win% could be cited separately for results within and out of a light party, it might shame SQEX into addressing the imbalance.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

FL standings are worthless for multiple reasons, I agree. If the 7.2 meta evolves how I expect, however, and win% could be cited separately for results within and out of a light party, it might shame SQEX into addressing the imbalance.

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Fair point, I support it