how well did SE represent your cultures in dawntrail?

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Originally Posted by Lady_Silvermoon

What do you mean? We killed the Alexandrian monarchs and installed our puppet child king. It even mentions the Alexandrian government wasn't too happy about that. Too bad. They should have been better at warfare (and programming for that matter) if they wanted to govern themselves.

DT has many flaws, but we most certainly got a full-on colonization arc. I suspect the child king exists solely to give Wuk Lamat, self-appointed guardian of the child, control over Alexandria.

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Who is really the colonizer? The Alexandrian monarch was the invader, attacked Tulliyolal and had the intent of harvesting souls in Tural. They also absorbed part of Tural, including its population.


Anyway on the cultural part it was caricatural with tacos, alpacas and the jazz music that you’d hear at a foreign owned resort but it’s a fantasy game. They’ve put cochinita pibil in the game but Americans still thought that it was a vulgar taco from taco bell. Then they imported bananas from Asia.

I'm pretty sure they excluded Brazil entirely from their SA references, so...
Other fellow south americans are memeing about their culture being reduced to tacos and alpacas, and yet I kinda feel like most brazilians would be amused enough to see the sterotypical samba and caipirinha. We didn't even get that. :P

To be fair, I don't really care. I feel like the excessive worry about culture representation is very missplaced and silly. I'd rather them focus more on making a believable fantasy world instead.

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Originally Posted by chizLemons

I'm pretty sure they excluded Brazil entirely from their SA references, so...
Other fellow south americans are memeing about their culture being reduced to tacos and alpacas, and yet I kinda feel like most brazilians would be amused enough to see the sterotypical samba and caipirinha. We didn't even get that. :P

To be fair, I don't really care. I feel like the excessive worry about culture representation is very missplaced and silly. I'd rather them focus more on making a believable fantasy world instead.

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You'll have to contain with a rain forest and a big river.
IDK when I hear Brazil I imagine the Amazonas rain forest and the Rio Amazonas.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

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Huh?
I can't recall anything like that?

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During the tour of Solution Nine, Wuk Lamat tells Sphene after Zoraal Ja is dead then she'll be free to rule alone and can therefore make her people stop using regulators, something they were doing centuries before Zoraal Ja showed up. She just stands there with a big grin telling her once she has sole rulership, she can just change her people's way of life to something Wuk doesn't find distasteful. Sphene goes from smiling to deadpan and says something like, "No. That's not possible."

It killed me that everything she stressed mattered to her (FOR HOURS) went out the window in the second half. Peace and happiness turned into final peace and I'll be happy when my brother's dead.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

You'll have to contain with a rain forest and a big river.
IDK when I hear Brazil I imagine the Amazonas rain forest and the Rio Amazonas.

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Oh yeahhh, there's that...and the HanuHanu resembling macaws, and uh...were the reeds supposed to be sugar cane? Didn't look like it?
...was the festival supposed to be an attempt at referencing carnaval? Surely not...?

I'd rather them give us caipirinhas

but seriously, I've never been to the Amazonas. It's much more common for foreign tourists to go there than brazilians from other regions. Our country is way too big to reference all of it. I guess they did try, or maybe it's still be another south american culture. Too bad that part of the story and the festival plotline is pretty lame, so all of that "care" thinking of cultural representation doesn't matter at all.

The map looks great, though.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

As European I am disappointed, nay OFFENDED by the lack of colonization.

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We built a train line right through the middle of a native reservation disrupting their livestock's natural grazing patterns and then bought them off with some cheap promises to keep the noise down. I'd say we're cowboying up ...

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Originally Posted by chizLemons

I'm pretty sure they excluded Brazil entirely from their SA references, so...
Other fellow south americans are memeing about their culture being reduced to tacos and alpacas, and yet I kinda feel like most brazilians would be amused enough to see the sterotypical samba and caipirinha. We didn't even get that. :P

To be fair, I don't really care. I feel like the excessive worry about culture representation is very missplaced and silly. I'd rather them focus more on making a believable fantasy world instead.

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Because Brasil is further down. You can check the map and we're been i'm the top half of the continent. Cultural representation is important, Eve more so when You base your fantasy world in ours.

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Originally Posted by Mukouda

Because Brasil is further down. You can check the map and we're been i'm the top half of the continent. Cultural representation is important, Eve more so when You base your fantasy world in ours.

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Cultural representation should not be this important in a completely fantasy setting, at least not in the way most people seem to be thinking about it. They of course should use inspiration from real cultures to be able to build a realistic-sounding one, to know how they developed through their struggles and what usually comes from it, how the people behave based on their environment and development, NOT to make the players "feel represented", not to match the real world 1:1 like it is. The more they try to make this close to reality and borrow directly from real world settings, the harder it is for them to get it right. In Dawntrail, it feels like they were focusing on the wrong details of it.
It should be a world-building resource for a good story setting.

Also, I don't think they were worried about the exact positions of the countries in the map when they first planned Eorzea?

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Originally Posted by chizLemons

Cultural representation should not be this important in a completely fantasy setting, at least not in the way most people seem to be thinking about it. They of course should use inspiration from real cultures to be able to build a realistic-sounding one, to know how they developed through their struggles and what usually comes from it, how the people behave based on their environment and development, NOT to make the players "feel represented", not to match the real world 1:1 like it is. The more they try to make this close to reality and borrow directly from real world settings, the harder it is for them to get it right. In Dawntrail, it feels like they were focusing on the wrong details of it.
It should be a world-building resource for a good story setting.

Also, I don't think they were worried about the exact positions of the countries in the map when they first planned Eorzea?

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They do care about the relative position of places after a while they did not at the beginning because Eorzea is where Africa should be.
Anyways, they should do a good job if they decide to borrow from cultures directly, which they did so far enough to hire a consultant for that task we can discuss the results though.

I travel to South America a lot for work (Mainly Bolivia and Peru). I thought some of the patterns on clothing were nice, but other than that, it wasn't very South American.... and the accents were all over the place.

It seemed like they were going for South American vibe, but it was a very strange version of it....maybe I am wrong and it was somewhere else?

I showed it to some of my SA coworkers and friends and they laughed and said "Ummm, no not us" LOL

Also, where are the CHOLITAS??? I see turbans and no little hats. I have been to Bolivian fashion week for three years in a row and didn't see a shred of native fashion.....