Content creator irresponsibility in covering #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The player base itself doesn't agree and content creators are just players themselves.

Thinking there's going to be any sort of agreement is naive at best. Just look at the main thread. There are many different opinions being expressed in there by players who are healers mains, players who don't main but do play healer, players who don't play healer beyond getting it to level cap, and players who don't play healer at all.

You're going to have a hard time getting content creators to cover it in the manner you want if they personally don't believe the problem exists or feel that the strike is an overreaction to the problems.


It goes both ways. Why are people judging other people (who happen to be content creators) over their opinions about a video game?

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Just because some disagree doesn't mean it's not a valid point which square enix should consider.
I can't remember the last thread which had 300+ likes; closest I remember was the "Add male viera" thread.

That should tell you how relevant the movement is.

I tell it like it is, a lot of those streamers just outright think their opinion matters more than the community's. No amount of twisting and lawyering changes what's evident and in the open.

At this point I am just glad it is getting attention. Maybe this will encourage someone from SE to look at the healer section of the forums to see what the major gripes are. But that is pure copium.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The player base itself doesn't agree and content creators are just players themselves.

Thinking there's going to be any sort of agreement is naive at best. Just look at the main thread. There are many different opinions being expressed in there by players who are healers mains, players who don't main but do play healer, players who don't play healer beyond getting it to level cap, and players who don't play healer at all.

You're going to have a hard time getting content creators to cover it in the manner you want if they personally don't believe the problem exists or feel that the strike is an overreaction to the problems.


It goes both ways. Why are people judging other people (who happen to be content creators) over their opinions about a video game?

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It doesn't go both ways. I haven't said anything about any content creator that is personal. I've called out things like hypocrisy or factually incorrect statements. Telling someone they can't understand their job because they haven't played enough endgame is ignorance.

I mean can you find someone saying Zepla, MrHappy etc do not have a right to their opinion? Probably not. They can believe they are superior to Gemina or whoever all they want.

Frankly it's their loss imo because change is going to happen whether they want it or not. Unlike them I have conviction and hopefully so does anyone striking. Their bullying is what doesn't matter, not the thread.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

Just because some disagree doesn't mean it's not a valid point which square enix should consider.
I can't remember the last thread which had 300+ likes; closest I remember was the "Add male viera" thread.

That should tell you how relevant the movement is.

I tell it like it is, a lot of those streamers just outright think their opinion matters more than the community's. No amount of twisting and lawyering changes what's evident and in the open.

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Except when you actually look at the thread, it's the same small group of people posting over and over, coupled with others disagreeing with them. A pure number of pages doesn't mean much when it's already the minuscule minority of players (forum posters) going in circles. That it's "really important" to a small group of people doesn't mean things should be changed for everyone else. (Also consider the infamous "EW story sux" thread that's about 3x as long and has effectively done nothing about provoking a change for DT.)

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

I mean can you find someone saying Zepla, MrHappy etc do not have a right to their opinion? Probably not. They can believe they are superior to Gemina or whoever all they want.

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What did they say that makes you think they feel superior?

I saw them expressing their personal opinions. That's all. If they're focusing on healing in high end content, it's because that's what they do and it's where healing should get more difficult.

Instead of focusing on content creators that don't represent the striker point of view and basically saying "you're wrong because you don't agree with us", find the ones that do and focus on promoting them.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Except when you actually look at the thread, it's the same small group of people posting over and over, coupled with others disagreeing with them. A pure number of pages doesn't mean much when it's already the minuscule minority of players (forum posters) going in circles. That it's "really important" to a small group of people doesn't mean things should be changed for everyone else. (Also consider the infamous "EW story sux" thread that's about 3x as long and has effectively done nothing about provoking a change for DT.)

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The cool thing about the forums is that these kinds of statements are easily disproven. When you go to "General Discussion" and look at the number of replies to a thread, you can actually click the number and it opens a new window with all the participants and their post count in the thread. With a quick copy paste to notepad I can see there are 588 unique participants in the healer strike thread. In the "EW story sux" thread, as you call it, the 4 most active posters managed 2000+ posts (>20% of posts) by themselves, which is not the case here. The "Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional" thread has 269 unique participants, and the devs thought that was a big enough issue to warrant a response.

Edit: 605 participants now.

Aaah the mandatory "small loud minority/ echo chamber/ " comment in every thread that dares to criticize/ disagree with any aspect of the game. Don't care if Dawntrailer releases in 14 days or tomorrow and they can't change anything, hope the healer situation get more coverage

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Originally Posted by Reinha

With a quick copy paste to notepad I can see there are 588 unique participants in the healer strike thread

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Reading the last three pages of posts in that particular thread at 9:30 AM CDT on 20 Junes 2024 shows it is still an interesting healer related debate ....... nah, it's devolved into bitching about join dates, alts, and simping. On topic for sure.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

Just because some disagree doesn't mean it's not a valid point which square enix should consider.
I can't remember the last thread which had 300+ likes; closest I remember was the "Add male viera" thread.

That should tell you how relevant the movement is.

I tell it like it is, a lot of those streamers just outright think their opinion matters more than the community's. No amount of twisting and lawyering changes what's evident and in the open.

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In terms of likes the healerstrike thread has beaten out the 'endwalker story sucks' thread and the only recent thread I found that beat it is the spanish translation thread which might be the least controversial topic ever.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

What did they say that makes you think they feel superior?

I saw them expressing their personal opinions. That's all. If they're focusing on healing in high end content, it's because that's what they do and it's where healing should get more difficult.

Instead of focusing on content creators that don't represent the striker point of view and basically saying "you're wrong because you don't agree with us", find the ones that do and focus on promoting them.

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MrHappy directly attacked the thread creator as I described. He implied that she can't understand what she is even talking about based on his assumptions about her experience. That's ridiculous. Someone doesn't have play high end content to make a thread compiling healer concerns in the first place. But also, the thread maker doesn't need to play Extreme to understand her job is boring in whatever content they do play. It's ignorance on multiple levels.

Aside from that, humans have a thing called tone and body language. The other streamers weren't quite as rude as such, but there is a general dismissiveness present across the board. Eye rolling, sighs, explaining issues in the strike to the strikers as though it's new information ("the game has been this way") etc. You can say they're "just giving an opinion" but players know when they're being spoken down to when it occurs.

And to edit in his exact comment, MrHappy said roughly:

"That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You have no power. You won't affect anything. And I mean Gemina or whatever hasn't even cleared Extreme. You don't even play the game!! Yeah this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard."

That's the kind of response you expect from a seasoned veteran of the game? Lol. He should go back to streaming Hunts for 6 hours.