Graphical Update: Female Hrothgar feedback

What i don't understand is the way SE makes it seem like they have to move the earths orbit to do simple changes to 7.0 graphics . I have played many mmo's and even the worse ones of the bunch had sliders for most things on the characters. It's really not acceptable in 2024 and i don't want to hear about the sky is falling "spagetti code" that your team (looking @ you Yoshi) has had 14 ....YEARS to fix. It's disgraceful and your own fault if it's hard to adjust because YOU made it that way. ...end rant...

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Originally Posted by Tempestwolf79

I have to say when playing with the character creator in the benchmark, I was very disappointed in the best size options for the female Hrothgar.

The bust feels very small for the frame, to me. As a larger woman myself, it just felt off to me. Also I feel our introduction to the race in the last content patches for the current game. was misleading as Tural appears to be sporting a C-D cup and players are only allowed at best an A-B cup currently in the benchmark.

https://www.siliconera.com/wp-conten...gar-ffxiv.jpeg

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The thing about the character creator is that you can’t really judge what your glamour in game is going to do to your character. The way the models work is they switch out the entire torso and your bust size will change to whatever they want despite your actual character size (you may already know this). It may be that in certain outfits you will be slightly larger. It really hasn’t ever been consistent. The character creation version in their racial gear looks pretty consistent with their reveal video though.

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Originally Posted by Moonsprite

The thing about the character creator is that you can’t really judge what your glamour in game is going to do to your character. The way the models work is they switch out the entire torso and your bust size will change to whatever they want despite your actual character size (you may already know this). It may be that in certain outfits you will be slightly larger. It really hasn’t ever been consistent. The character creation version in their racial gear looks pretty consistent with their reveal video though.

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Ugh, the number of times I had my Femroe's size 100 bust cut in half by a body piece is crazy. I'd be all for making Hrothgals curvier but it probably wouldn't make much of a difference.

Yeah, until they fix how a lot of armor just does not care about the character's bust data there's not really a lot of point in trying to get a wider range. I'd also like it, it's just unlikely to matter in the end.

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

What i don't understand is the way SE makes it seem like they have to move the earths orbit to do simple changes to 7.0 graphics . I have played many mmo's and even the worse ones of the bunch had sliders for most things on the characters. It's really not acceptable in 2024 and i don't want to hear about the sky is falling "spagetti code" that your team (looking @ you Yoshi) has had 14 ....YEARS to fix. It's disgraceful and your own fault if it's hard to adjust because YOU made it that way. ...end rant...

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they have 14 years of tech debt and they get to do the dreaded "upgrade in place" that is the bane of many projects. ARR is a Big Deal in saving the game because most in-place updates fail catastrophically or are bandaids that do nothing. But having to make it in, like, a frantic two years means that decisions were made for then and not for "ten years from now", when the question at the time was if the game would even last another year.

So, would you like them to halt all expac and feature progress to work on the code? I think we all know what the general reaction to that would be.

This is the eternal tug of war of code updates - it would be faster and better to shut the project down entirely to fix everything, but they literally can't do that, so they have to try to work out how to make it better without breaking absolutely everything...over a decade after all the code was written, and quite likely that many of the original writers are no longer around to consult. They'd be reading gibberish and also knowing that any changes they make can cascade over a decade's worth of content. You also have all of the modelers, animators, riggers, texture artists, environmental artists trying to juggle this (over a decade's worth of visual content) and a new expac too. It also wouldn't surprise me if a good amount of the pain points that brought about this update was with their internal tooling, which probably would've been done at the same time as the game itself and likely has 14 years worth of bandaids plastered on top of it. Stuff like "characters don't physically hold objects in cutscenes" and "estinien putting his foot on a railing was really expensive" and such, though I can't say how much of that is the animators dealing with the quirks of their tools or the engine itself just noooooot being able to handle that nonsense gracefully.

It bugs me a lot seeing posts like these, and repeatedly seeing posts like these by people who clearly have never suffered the hell of this kind of process. I go on these forums to escape my eight-hour work days of dealing with thirty-year-old code that my team gets to try to re-implement with no documentation and literally none of the original programmers within the company to get help from, while also dealing with the quirks of the original system still being up, so our company doesn't completely fold.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Ugh, the number of times I had my Femroe's size 100 bust cut in half by a body piece in crazy. I'd be all for making Hrothgals curvier but it probably wouldn't make much of a difference.

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I always disliked this. What even is the point of a boob size slider if they're reverted to a (inconsistent) default based on what you're wearing...

PS: it kinda happens on male characters too, some armor makes my Roe look thinner, others make him look obese. Last year's Moonfire outfit makes my Hroth's chest look uncanny flat like a Lego figure.

I hope they reduce or alter the waxy/oily look to their body fur. Or pair it up/have it similar to the hair on their head.
I hope it would be altered or greatly reduce, because right now the only way to hide it, is to choose the white fur.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...dc0183719286c&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d20055a2d2cf6&

Fem Hrothgar arms have a seam and are polygon shaped when they raise their arms, no doubt because the designers made their shoulders unnaturally large & didn't take a second to smooth out the edges or fix the shoulder proportions....

I posted this issue in the bugs forum, hopefully the shoulder shape will be finally adjusted and the edges smoothed.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...87#post6474987

Screens of glaring issue.
https://i.imgur.com/J7R4LJz.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/F95V0gR.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/n6w7m1y.png

https://gh.cdn.sewest.net/assets/ide...&height=100%25

This pic here makes me a bit sad.

The reddish Hrothgal here has a decently size bust. Wouldn't it kill the team to allow us to get this size for our own? And for those who don't like it, it's not like you're losing anything. Options are always nice.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I always disliked this. What even is the point of a boob size slider if they're reverted to a (inconsistent) default based on what you're wearing...

PS: it kinda happens on male characters too, some armor makes my Roe look thinner, others make him look obese. Last year's Moonfire outfit makes my Hroth's chest look uncanny flat like a Lego figure.

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Probably has something to do with the fact that we're all Lego people where gear replaces our body parts instead of it being layered on top. Perhaps not everything imports the character creator values properly, but that's pure speculation on my part. As someone who always uses close to minimum bust slider it annoys me as well when gear like the Eden maiming chest expands the chest area quite a bit.