7.0 Graphic Update - Lalafell Feedback (please give me back my smudge!!)

I wasn't sure if I should bring this same complaint up because I wasn't sure if it bothered many others as well, so seeing a thread already up about it is nice.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the graphical update, but the nose nerf is a bit sad to me as unless I'm comparing them in the CC I probably wont immediately notice if someone has one in-game or not due to how much lighter the coloring is. Im a bit sad about the change in shape of the smudge to make the color change more gradual than just a triangular shape too, but thats something I can get used to more easily than the change in color.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...c5909f02fa896&

While I think the nose marking facial feature needs to be darker on light skin to make it more noticeable, it not scaling with skin tone is also a huge oversight. Where it used to be distinct on both dark and light skin, now its very light on light skin and just looks red on dark skin so now your lala looks like hes caught a cold.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...81616aee3742b&

It also completely disappears on warmer tones. Somehow now the nose is slightly darker Without the nose darkening feature than With it.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d55c0bf50b36d&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...0dc5a80b48673&

This is also a much bigger issue for male faces 3 and 4 and for all the faces on female models. Male faces 1 and 2 coloring is much more obvious because of the shape of it, but is still much lighter and still has the same red problem on dark skin. Meanwhile the difference on the female model is shocking in how drastic it is.

Im still really pleased with the graphics update in general (I have other complaints about the teeth/jaw structure and upper lip/eyelash removals, but those seem to be issues with most races currently so hopefully something will be done about them) but I think this is one of those things that makes Lalafell who they are and by reducing it like this it takes away one of their more distinct optional racial traits. So I really hope the colors can be fixed in some way. In a perfect world it would be nice to get a Dark/Light/None option the way makeup does, but given the way facial features work that's probably unrealistic currently.

Thank you for the thread :)

Face 4 chiming in here asking where my cute raggedy anne nose is! :(
https://i.imgur.com/UbSxF8s.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/KkPKvwl.png

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Also, this horror:
After:
https://i.imgur.com/I1B9fil.jpg

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There are some downright creepy looking animations in the benchmark itself too. I think it's because they've copied the mouth rigging across to all character models regardless of race, so some of the mouth movement looks very unnatural and out of place on Lalafell. Looking forward to that in the 30-odd hours of cutscenes in Dawntrail...

i've seen a lot of valid complaints and helpful critique, which is nice. i'm not sure if this is just a lighting thing, but the lip colors feel SO off to me. my lips were very visible and blended nicely into the face, but they ended up looking like concealer lips in the benchmark under certain lighting conditions - especially in ul'dah. i'm hoping this is just due to the test lighting.

✧I genuinely was hoping that we would get an improvement on the lips, mainly focused on exaggerating and making them much more fuller than before! I'm glad that I am not the only one who was disappointed with the reduced lips.
It feels as if Lalafell's features got waaay too smoothed out when in reality the lalafell player base wished for more exaggerated features. The lips are look practically the same now with how they were smoothed down, facial textures as well-mainly on face 3 with the freckles. I believe the eyes could also do good with a bit more shapeliness and exaggeration.

As a whole everything is translating mostly well, though another expectation that the players had for this update were also more facial feature options as well. Though understand time crunch-hopefully it's something we can get in a later update after we see an improvement on the current new models.

✗Current issues that I am personally seeing with lalafell updated models.
-eyelashes aren't ass dense and the texture above is a bit ashy on dark skin tones
-lips needed more fullness and exaggeration
-eye SHAPES have translated well, BUT have been smoothed out a bit too much when we need more definition to them. Stronger slants/curves/droopiness/etc.
-nose darkening setting doesn't actually darken the nose but lightens it-would be wonderful as two separate options though
-face 3's gradient isn't smooth as it should be with the nose

:o So far things have been turning out really well! I have a lot of suggestions like others but I would like to focus my current opinion on the way lalafells are presented in the game!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLJ4zcXW...g&name=900x900https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLJ5Lk4X...g&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLJ7rGEW...g&name=900x900https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLJ7z92X...g&name=900x900

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Originally Posted by KhujaRela

Dissappointed falls short on how I feel about my lalafell changes...
She's been stripped of all life force, personality, and appearance

-Eyes dead, no shine, also why now you can see the pupil? She is supposed to be a Dunesfolk, all the eye should look yellow and bright.

-Lips have changed shape and shine, now they are like a stripe of paint, she also lost her smile?? why

-She has dark circles under her eyes now, why?? She looks like she hasn't sleep in 3 days

-Hair looks like plastic strings...

I honestly don't understand all these changes, and I don't like it, I'm sad and frustrated, specially on the eyes and lips, changed their face completely


https://i.ibb.co/0XSHtQf/nooooo.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/TMNg2DR/segundacomparacion.png

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Originally Posted by Gwalafell

i've seen a lot of valid complaints and helpful critique, which is nice. i'm not sure if this is just a lighting thing, but the lip colors feel SO off to me. my lips were very visible and blended nicely into the face, but they ended up looking like concealer lips in the benchmark under certain lighting conditions - especially in ul'dah. i'm hoping this is just due to the test lighting.

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I've been having the same issue with the concealer lips, even when I get the lips to look right in the character creation they always seem to disappear. I think its because of how they've been flattened almost. When I look at my lala from above/below their lips appear how I want, but in the benchmark cutscenes they disappear when viewed head on. Honestly looks like they either don't have lips or are sucking them in most of the time, it's very strange to look at

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Originally Posted by Emitans

You can see how light the nose gets in direct sunlight in the benchmark. I don't like it.
https://i.imgur.com/39ojro5.png

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you are so so pretty

I do see what you (and others) mean about the nose

Maybe I'm just boring but I can barely see the update on my character lol so I don't feel very strongly about it exactly either way so far lol maybe it'll be a bit more noticeable in game
https://i.imgur.com/bFPqcTz.jpeg

Female Lalafell Face #4 has a subtle line in the middle when you wear the nose smudge :(


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...81fe8b7229eb4&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...307b0e17b2d89&https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...5ca87c7ce4b36&https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...f684b92098a5d&

My lala just looks dead inside after. https://imgsli.com/MjU2MjAz



edit: Lighting seems to make a huge difference too....just look at the contrast between both eyes.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...fa751ece65ca7&

Heard some people say setting the gamma correction to 0 would help but my smudge still disappears whenever its in direct sunlight. Forgot to take a screenshot but its the boat scene at the beginning so its not the weird character creator lighting.