What if: Starting with Dawntrail, everyone starts referring to the WoL as they/them?

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Originally Posted by KayRadley

Found the 'phobe

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Found the shamer.

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Originally Posted by KayRadley

The singular "they" dates back to Shakespeare. It is not just used for multiple people or plural people. Read a dictionary.

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Dont be ridiculous.

Today "They" is plural.

I can find plenty of other ancient word uses that would likely offend the pants off of you if we used them today.

Ask for an option, im fine with that. Dont force this newspeak on me.

Cost saving measure to no longer need two versions of every character-referencing dialogue in english, nice.

Troll aside (which I doubt here, but let's be naive for a second), this kind of proposal surprises me enormously for one thing: it's something that claims to be inclusive. But at the same time it fails dramatically on one point : It is impossible, in many of today's languages, to convey the neutrality associated with 'They'. Which would mean that this kind of thing would not be accessible to non-English speakers.

Which is... rather exclusive. Just to clarify one thing: I'm well aware that if it only appears on the screens of English players, well, it won't make any difference to me. It's just the reasoning itself that seems strange for this reason.

Gonna be frank:

They should add the option just as much as they should add more proper beard options and long hairstyles. More options for character creation and player expression are always a good thing. Don't remove options, add as many as possible. I'd even make an argument for fashion/hair mods, but I'm not gonna cause I know that's heresy for some people.

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Originally Posted by KayRadley

How would you react to your WoL being referred to with gender-neutral pronouns?

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How about.......no thank you.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

I'd rather not deal with American moral imperialism in my video games.

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This is the correct answer.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

I lean toward the latter since their RP profile comes up in Google and it was last edited back in 2019 and the OC has lesbian as their sexuality. Looking at the lodestone the character doesn't do much outside of RP by the looks of it. However, they only started posting again during the VA debacle after two years of inactivity.

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Their entire history of threads on here is pretty questionable. Most of their posts are just anger-bait threads over housing, and one bait thread from when EW released and the login queues were horrendous.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Gonna be frank:

They should add the option just as much as they should add more proper beard options and long hairstyles. More options for character creation and player expression are always a good thing. Don't remove options, add as many as possible. I'd even make an argument for fashion/hair mods, but I'm not gonna cause I know that's heresy for some people.

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I wouldn't really mind it as long as it's an option. Wouldn't be offended or anything if it was forced, but I do agree that more options for anything is always nice.

OP isn't here to offer suggestions though. They're here to rage bait.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

I don't want to shit on pronouns since I think they're harmless, but they/them as pronouns make me think of you as a collective more than a person. Like you're legion. Also, the she/them memes. But it always seems like pandering. Like body 1 and 2 type stuff. You did it for social points. And because there's still two choices, I don't believe that you're genuine. If that makes any sense. It just feels like someone from a more "enlightened" area talking down. If that makes any sense. Let's learn the morons a thing or two while saying we're all equal. When we clearly aren't.

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It's just a linguistic thing to get used to tbh. Singular they is already used in game for the pixies, nu mou, fuath.

Don't most transgender fight to be recognized as a man or woman? Wouldn't force "they/them" on them go against that?