PSA: Do not undercut people by 50k gil or more

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Originally Posted by Kyssa

You seriously bothered a GM with this... and wait, a GM actually responded to you, for this?

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Of course he didn’t. Op is a notorious forum troll who runs several accounts, is into botting and rmt. What you are looking at is one of his most recent characters: created in May, one maxed combat job with only msq mounts and all crafters and gatherers at 90, in a one man fc called “Karen”. Let’s continue to undercut his bots by 50k gils!

When I need gear for my alts and a couple of friends I don’t hesitate to undercut the bots by hundreds of thousands to tank their prices (at non peak hours to minimize chances someone will buy my bait item). It’s always the same retainers that follow you to insanely low prices within minutes. Got a gear piece drop from 498k to 70k last week before pulling out my item and buying what I needed below the selling price of mats. The price was back up at its original level a few hours later after a few other people managed to snap items at a low price. A normal person would have bought out my bait item instead of following me because their things were selling at 498k. If a real person is dumb enough to take the obvious bait, then it’s their loss.

I will post my orders for however much I please tyvm

I understand the OP's frustration. He's right and the "supply and demand" people are right too.

On one hand, he could just NOT undercut the 50k guy by another 1 gil and let that ONE sell and let the market recover. The problem with that is that due to, in part, market bots, we've all desensitized ourselves to the undercutting situation. When bots are involved, one person would undercut by 50k and the the next 3-4 bot-controlled retainers would also match that price (minus 1). At that point, the market HAS dropped on an item like the Kupo coffer that likely doesn't sell often.

We all just assume everyone else is botting and we better sell it before the market drops further due to bots. It is a circular problem.

However, the OP is also right... depending on the item. Most players walk up to the MB not looking for a deal, but looking to buy something. And whatever the price is, they just buy the lowest. All the time. Sure, there are specific items that people probably shop around for... like 10M+ gil mounts. But when it comes to stuff like the new crafted DoW/M gear... whatever sell is what is listed first. Whether it is undercut by 1 gil or 50000 gil. It doesn't matter. And that's when the OP is right.

"It's supply and demand" is true, but also the simple-minded argument. There is a lot more to it. The FFXIV economy is not the real-world economy.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Of course he didn’t. Op is a notorious forum troll who runs several accounts, is into botting and rmt. What you are looking at is one of his most recent characters: created in May, one maxed combat job with only msq mounts and all crafters and gatherers at 90, in a one man fc called “Karen”. Let’s continue to undercut his bots by 50k gils!

When I need gear for my alts and a couple of friends I don’t hesitate to undercut the bots by hundreds of thousands to tank their prices (at non peak hours to minimize chances someone will buy my bait item). It’s always the same retainers that follow you to insanely low prices within minutes. Got a gear piece drop from 498k to 70k last week before pulling out my item and buying what I needed below the selling price of mats. The price was back up at its original level a few hours later after a few other people managed to snap items at a low price. A normal person would have bought out my bait item instead of following me because their things were selling at 498k. If a real person is dumb enough to take the obvious bait, then it’s their loss.

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Ah. Thank you. I just could not fathom someone actually paging a GM for that, and holy hell, a GM paying them any mind at all!

Your strategy is brilliant. I've learned something new today. Thank you!

I sold ShB gear for a while and had to drop most of them by large amounts because they would get undercut by 1 gil every 2 hours despite selling about once every two days on average. Just no point fighting a losing battle if the demand isn't there.

Undercut harder!

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Originally Posted by Venari

PSA: Do not undercut people by 50k gil or more

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Ok, I'll do it by 51k just to spite you then.

I don't pay much attention to the undercutters, honestly. I just list my item I want to sell and forget about it until someone buys it XD

I understand your frustrations though, OP. just keep trying --- your items will be sold eventually! what's important is you don't give up.

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Originally Posted by Dakuryon

I understand your frustrations though, OP. just keep trying --- your items will be sold eventually! what's important is you don't give up.

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You realize OP is a troll and this is a bait thread, do you?

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Originally Posted by DayHealer

You realize OP is a troll and this is a bait thread, do you?

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Nope, but I do now! Thanks for letting me know orz