Counterpoint to all the Debbie Downers lately...

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Nobody asked, nobody cares.
I don't know what get into the mind of people when they feel threatened by other people's opinions. People disliking the game doesn't invalidate your experience. Some people can be fine with the game while others aren't and both can be correct in their opinion you know?

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My friend, if I came across as being 'threatened' that was not my intention. What I'm attempting to do is provide a counterpoint to all of the negative stuff going on in the forums. I'm not saying the game doesn't have issues, I'm saying that the game *is* enjoyable (at least for some) and if one were to simply read the forums the takeaway would be the game is horrible, design is horrible, yadda yadda yadda and that is simply not the case.

The negative feedback not the only feedback of the game. Us folks who actually enjoy it also have opinions. Just voicing mine...

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

Thanks OP for reaffirming that Shadowlands was a good WoW expansion.

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HAHAHAHA - oh lordy don't get me started on Shadowlands. That was the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. Felt like Nancy Kerrigan 'why, why, why, why'. That was about the time I found FFXIV and never looked back.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I don't think they would have called it "filler" since that word has a negative connotation. But they did suggest that our WoL is enjoying some relative downtime (my impression from quest dialogue) and I think they were hoping to explore a general period of relative peace before they move into the 7.0 storyline and away from the plot points that were the focus of ARR to EW.

Some may view such content as "filler" but I'm enjoying it myself as I headcanon my WoL enjoying themselves after their victory.

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That's irrelevant, I'm disputing what Jojoya said, not what Yoshi said.

But if you want to go that way, don't you think it's at least a little bit scummy to be so misleading? Sure, PR wants you to hype everything, but saying that filler is "greater story" and "entire new adventure" is really pushing it.

I'm happy that you enjoy 6.X. I personally dislike that it's yet another cameo from 20+ years old FF game.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

That's irrelevant, I'm disputing what Jojoya said, not what Yoshi said.

But if you want to go that way, don't you think it's at least a little bit scummy to be so misleading? Sure, PR wants you to hype everything, but saying that filler is "greater story" and "entire new adventure" is really pushing it.

I'm happy that you enjoy 6.X. I personally dislike that it's yet another cameo from 20+ years old FF game.

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Not sure how it's irrelevant - your post asked Jojoya to cite an official source. I'm just saying it's doubtful any official source would have called it filler in those terms specifically.

FF4 is my 2nd favorite FF game after 14, so I'm hyped for it. Absolutely adore everything about FF4.

That said I don't think this is a "greater story" than the entire story arc of the history of the game. But of course marketing's job is to keep up hype as you noted, and I don't view this as "scummy" but just marketing doing their job. If they were to promote the upcoming patchs as "look forward to some filler" they'd be doing a terrible job at promoting their game.

Every ongoing game, television, or movie series tries to promote upcoming releases as the best yet. Advertising that the best is already behind them is just a recipe for disaster.

Anyway I personally view this content as a "bridge" between major story arcs, rather than "filler."

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Not sure how it's irrelevant - your post asked Jojoya to cite an official source. I'm just saying it's doubtful any official source would have called it filler in those terms specifically.

FF4 is my 2nd favorite FF game after 14, so I'm hyped for it. Absolutely adore everything about FF4.

That said I don't think this is a "greater story" than the entire story arc of the history of the game. But of course marketing's job is to keep up hype as you noted, and I don't view this as "scummy" but just marketing doing their job. If they were to promote the upcoming patchs as "look forward to some filler" they'd be doing a terrible job at promoting their game.

Every ongoing game, television, or movie series tries to promote upcoming releases as the best yet. Advertising that the best is already behind them is just a recipe for disaster.

Anyway I personally view this content as a "bridge" between major story arcs, rather than "filler."

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I was disputing what Jojoya and only him/her said, nothing else, nothing more. Jojoya said "We were told it was going to be filler", so I want to see where exactly SE representatives said that or at least something remotely similar.

If he/she has further clarifications or source of that citation, that's up to his/her response.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

I was disputing what Jojoya and only him/her said, nothing else, nothing more. Jojoya said "We were told it was going to be filler", so I want to see where exactly SE representatives said that or at least something remotely similar.

If he/she has further clarifications or source of that citation, that's up to his/her response.

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Well okay. I see your purpose was to respond only to Jojoya and no one else really has anything to say about the topic. *shrug*

As long as the opinions are constructive there is no negative opinion, a forum is primarily used to exchange opinions.

Personally I understand that some players complain about the endwalker content, because it is so poor and does not respond equally to everyone's expectations
for example the pve-grind content is totally absent and on an mmorpg you have to respond fairly to various types of players.

Stormblood was an extension which was the premium in terms of quantity of content, shadowbringer was like endwalker but the content was much more balanced, it was diverse enough to satisfy all types of players,
at endwalker the casual content is mechanically trivialized, the content is not fair for everyone and above all you have to wait almost 5 months to have 6.3, and 6.4,
the quantity of content and the quality of the patches have not increased but besides the waiting time has been drastically increased,
that's why people voice their opinions, because they love the game and don't want to see his condition worsen.

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Originally Posted by texas_boy

HAHAHAHA - oh lordy don't get me started on Shadowlands. That was the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. Felt like Nancy Kerrigan 'why, why, why, why'. That was about the time I found FFXIV and never looked back.

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Same here, except replace Shadowlands with Endwalker. Glad to see we’re on the same page!

By the way, if you’re new to WoW and just play through the expacs casually as though you’re playing FFXIV, it’s actually a really good game. But I suppose you got burnt out of that after a little bit, didn’t you?

You know some of us have been playing FFXIV for just as long, right? Get it?

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Well okay. I see your purpose was to respond only to Jojoya and no one else really has anything to say about the topic. *shrug*

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You're free to discuss whatever you want, this is public space, after all we even exchanged thoughts on 6.X story and what PR moves cross the line. We clearly had opposite ideas for both topics, so I don't see any point in expanding on either of them.

You're also free to pin point where in the video Jojoya linked was something said about filler. If there is nothing like that, then it's up to Jojoya to clarify what he/she meant or agree that what they said has no real source.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

You're free to discuss whatever you want, this is public space, after all we even exchanged thoughts on 6.X story and what PR moves cross the line. We clearly had opposite ideas for both topics, so I don't see any point in expanding on either of them.

You're also free to pin point where in the video Jojoya linked was something said about filler. If there is nothing like that, then it's up to Jojoya to clarify what he/she meant or agree that what they said has no real source.

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Jojoya can speak for herself of course - my reading of this conversation is simply that she interpreted the available information to mean that we were told the content would be "filler" - a word I think she attached to this and probably not the devs. She shared that we were told that the major plot of FFXIV up through 6.0 has ended, and we were told that the next major plot will begin with a prologue in 6.55. To her, that means that 6.1 - 6.55 is "filler" and they have not hidden their time frames on starting the next major story arc.

I don't plan on watching the video because I already agreed with you - I highly doubt they would have called the content "filler" in the video. So, I don't think this exists.

But again, she can speak for herself.