FFXIV Job Design Feedback

Who cares if it feels like a summoner if it also feels awful to play? Surely the fact that the current incarnation is tainting the summoner identity is reason enough to desire a rework even if you're nominally in favour of the changes.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

Who cares if it feels like a summoner if it also feels awful to play? Surely the fact that the current incarnation is tainting the summoner identity is reason enough to desire a rework even if you're nominally in favour of the changes.

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Nay. I'm in favor of building upon the current framework rather than ditching it to return to dot mage.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

Who cares if it feels like a summoner if it also feels awful to play? Surely the fact that the current incarnation is tainting the summoner identity is reason enough to desire a rework even if you're nominally in favour of the changes.

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I'd say the current SMN feels BETTER to play than it once did. But this is just framework, and can be made better. I'd rather them not return to the previous horrible role of DoT mage (the ShB version I mean, I had no issues with HW or SB SMN).

ShB SMN wasn't a "DoT mage" at all though, you hardcasted them like once every 2 minutes, Miasma and Bio were both on the same timer and you reapplied them with Tri-disaster outside of that. 2 DoTs on the same timer, reapplied at the same time does not make it a DoT Mage, or else BRD is one too.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I'd say the current SMN feels BETTER to play than it once did. But this is just framework, and can be made better. I'd rather them not return to the previous horrible role of DoT mage (the ShB version I mean, I had no issues with HW or SB SMN).

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What a terrible framework it is then, because if you want SMN to get any meaningful new additions in 7.0 it's going to need another rework to the structure of its rotation.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

What a terrible framework it is then, because if you want SMN to get any meaningful new additions in 7.0 it's going to need another rework to the structure of its rotation.

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More like additions to it. The base idea isn't bad, but needs some complexity thrown into there. Still better than what SMN was in ShB, an overly complicated mess.

Reuploaded new fixed spreadsheets. Sorry for the breakage. EDIT: Also unrestricted them. Always forget that step.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

More like additions to it. The base idea isn't bad, but needs some complexity thrown into there. Still better than what SMN was in ShB, an overly complicated mess.

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Genuinely curious what you think SE could do to its framework other than adding some ogcds to it and falling into the same pit that they did with drg. The summon phases take up almost the entire rotation and with everything built as it is it feels like there is no room to do anything to summoner beyond visual changes.

Theyll probably add new summons to it that are on the off-minute filler, so instead of Baha, legos, Phoenix, legos, it'd be Baha, ITG legos, Phoenix, Levi/Ramuh/Shiva legos, Baha, repeat

And then way later they'll add a new Demi like Demi-Alexander or something and that'll allow for it to have 3 more legos after that, like the Warring Triad or something

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

What a terrible framework it is then, because if you want SMN to get any meaningful new additions in 7.0 it's going to need another rework to the structure of its rotation.

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just add more summons that you spam charges away from with 1 button LOL

Ifrit, Titan, Garuda - now you get Shiva and your 1 turns into the same thing but with ice O: SO CREATIVE