If anything more likely to be folks from my generation (Xennials) ... Zoomers LOVE everything being turned into a number contest and whatever-it-takes-to-win, they tend to actively embrace this kinda thing LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by MintnHoney
Us Xennials on the other hand who got into gaming in the olden days before meters got so ubiquitous it feels like everyone's expected to run one in a MMO - whether or not it's even okay by the TOS (and I'm pretty sure I can only think of three off the top of my head where it is - WoW, along with LotRO which has the same kind of Lua scripting system for UI mods, and Blade & Soul where there's an inbuilt DPS meter last I recall) - and put major efforts into improving one's numbers, I expect a lot of us have chips on our shoulders about the meter culture.
Yeah, I know even as far back as Burning Crusade there were "meter maids," but nowhere near the way things are nowadays (especially since in those days I recall most folks with Recount were mainly using it to boast when they were #1 ... people using it to harangue others for being #5 were rare). Hells, I don't think we even had logs in the guild where I got 12/12N 10/12H in Icecrown Citadel, now if you don't parse and log basically everything you do there's a significant part of the culture that gets sus (either that you're "bad" or that you're only posting your best runs).
It's just obnoxious. Used to be that you played games, you got that victory rush when you won and that was enough. Now it's "omg my/your stats aren't good enough" everywhere ...
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05-10-2022, 02:19 PMAmarande
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05-10-2022, 02:22 PMDeedlit
JP and Karens, ruining stuff as usual.
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05-10-2022, 02:28 PMAbsurdityI'm not even sure about "the community" part, it seems to have come from a bunch of 5chan dwellers on the JP side of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant
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05-10-2022, 02:46 PMCalamityTwo
Square, you need to stop letting the community use you as a shotgun against Streamers people don't like.
That news post is less then 24 hours and your giving people 10 day suspensions? even for retroactive VODs and videos?
That's the most heavy handed moderation I've ever seen, you're doing nothing to combat the "problem" just driving it underground, most teams just wont stream from now on, this does nothing but hurt you and generate less exposure in your game from future races, and builds a considerable amount of resentment considering you're swatting streamers using QoL mods and letting the actual underground cheaters continue to destroy things like PvP. -
05-10-2022, 03:04 PMdapperfafferngl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batbrat
I read that in Xenosys's voice, and at the end, I imagined his bald head ringing that bell of his. -
05-10-2022, 03:09 PMInanegrain
Could've just kept going after the actually malicious advantages by third party applications which are just outright cheating in the form of infinite sprint/cc immunity somehow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHRmlpqsRIA
This should be ban worthy, not a UI/Calculator, they, at it's very base form, give information that should've been there. Because it is there if it's coincidentally the focus target at the moment that mattered to give such information. I'd believe that they are banned and I certainly hope they are actually banned for how long it has been and (still rarely at least?)people in PvP are showing up with it.
The differences in the UI I see, the addon reduces the size of buffs/debuffs so it can actually all show, and has a timer. While the current one has a limit and doesn't show timers on the party list unless focus targeted.
It's not going to be an advantage when everyone at this stage is obviously already good, DSR should not be attracting this much attention to the point suspensions are being handed out to people who are still progging. At most, I may have accidentally murdered groups by spacing through yawning in P1s/P4SP2
I don't know how to set up some of these addons cause I can't be bothered to and I don't need it because I've been doing fine without it, at most, the only thing it does is tell me who messed up curtain call/chains. It'd be nice to have, but I do not find it an immediate advantage to the point it sped up prog/clear time. But then I remembered, both Hiro and bagel were in mid prog, they didn't even clear it yet. You took a person out of a static who made time to do an ultimate and now the entire group has to wait or re prog with another person.
But hey, people can also stretch updating Nvidia drivers to be a third party tool.
I hope I at least do not ever encounter having to play with or against a player who's scripting such as the infinite sprint I linked if they decide to ban petty issues that have little to no overall impact.
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05-10-2022, 03:36 PMkaynideDon’t know what to tell you other than they played with fire and got burned.Quote:
Originally Posted by MintnHoney
You realize that GMs are the ones to actually investigate and ban people right? If there was no evidence of cheating, then the ban wouldn’t happen. Can’t blame people for doing their jobs any more than you could blame the police for acting on anonymous tips. -
05-10-2022, 03:39 PMkaynideI mean, this is like finally getting caught speeding and complaining because you’ve always been speeding so it shouldn’t be a problem. It isn’t heavy handed because these rules have always been in effect. If anything blame the idiot cheaters who were doing so in extremely noticeable ways (pvp)to cause the hammer to come down so hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by CalamityTwo
Just because a high profile player got caught on streams doesn’t mean they aren’t getting others as well- there is a regular post on accounts banned due to RMT for example. -
05-10-2022, 03:48 PMSomnolence
Are they going to ban Pyromancer since he is streaming with reskinned UI?
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05-10-2022, 03:51 PMLarirawiel
Sorry, but exactly this happens when cheats and other "grey area"-tools get the upper hand. Too many people overexaggerated it and now here comes the ban hammer. It will propably also hit many /gposers, who use some picture quality enhancement tools and "create your own pose"-tools. Many club photographers use those tools.
Cheers