Roleplay Party Finder Account Suspensions

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Originally Posted by milkhorn

It definitely smells fishy regardless of people inserting their personal opinions on venues with adult themes. Our PF was not against TOS which is entirely the point of my post that got derailed into speculation and needless attempts at clapbacks. The point is, my friends are on suspension for something that they were given no warning for, and it was not just our venue being advertised that got hit. I understand that us listing 18+ can be 'interpreted' as something controversial, but we see as well from melafyre, who was hit with the same punishment from a completely 'acceptable' venue. Where is the disconnect from GM to players, when we have been over the TOS several times. Square - tell us what we did wrong, and why the punishments would be so severe on first offenses. It doesn't make sense.

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ERP privately arranged between consenting adults is fine. That has been made clear by GMs in the past.

ERP being publicly advertised in Party Finder is not. That was made clear with the ToS clarification.

If your carrd info included in your PF listing is explicitly stating ERP activities, you are publicly advertising ERP since those curious have to visit your carrd to get the full description.

I think that's the distinction you're failing to grasp.

Involving a third party site for in game activities is no longer protection. They reserve the right to take game related content posted on third party sites into consideration when making account action decisions.

It's just weird that these suspensions are happening now, when these venues were perfectly fine advertising their places for people to convene and have fun.

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Originally Posted by Godzillaxpowerrangers

Could be someone from MPK group. They did have a hard on against any rp.

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Luckily with the new All Saints Wake event, they can finally dress like they act.

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Originally Posted by technole

Here is what you don't understand. FFXIV's rating supercedes your personal 18+ rating.

https://www.esrb.org/wp-content/them...s/images/T.svg

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The ESRB rating is Teen. The description associated with that rating, as described on the ESRB site itself includes:

Blood
Language
Sexual Themes
Use of Alcohol
Violence

The game is not rated E10+ or E, which are the appropriate ratings for Children.

The Japanese rating is "Cero C", which is 15+.

The general European rating is "PEGI 16", which is 16+.

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Originally Posted by ReeveAnkharet

It's just weird that these suspensions are happening now, when these venues were perfectly fine advertising their places for people to convene and have fun.

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GMs aren't spying on game activities 24/7. It takes someone opening a ticket before they investigate.

Clearly there is some player out there who is taking offensive at the listings. Perhaps it's a protective parent looking out for their child who recently started playing the game.

This goes back to the various game ratings and ToS. Part of the ToS is that you acknowledge there are underage players present and agree to act accordingly in your interactions with other players.

In many ways, that's to protect the player as much as SE. If a parent discovers you've been engaging in ERP with their minor and report it to law enforcement, you could be in serious trouble. "They told me they were an adult" won't be much of a defense if you didn't take responsible actions to confirm they were an adult.

If someone feels the need to ERP via a video game, they should be choosing a game that has a hard 18+ requirement to play. There you would have some protection should the other player turn out to be a minor. In an 18+ game, there's a reasonable expectation on your part for that other player to be an adult legally able to consent.

That is not true here. You simply have no way of knowing.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

The game is not rated E10+ or E, which are the appropriate ratings for Children.

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In most areas, a teen is still legally a child. The Teen rating is not a defense.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

ERP privately arranged between consenting adults is fine. That has been made clear by GMs in the past.

ERP being publicly advertised in Party Finder is not. That was made clear with the ToS clarification.

If your carrd info included in your PF listing is explicitly stating ERP activities, you are publicly advertising ERP since those curious have to visit your carrd to get the full description.

I think that's the distinction you're failing to grasp.

Involving a third party site for in game activities is no longer protection. They reserve the right to take game related content posted on third party sites into consideration when making account action decisions.

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If this is the case then it needs to be said clearly that it's the result of content found on a third party. We have been advertising the same way for over a year now and it is still bizarre to be hit so suddenly with it, (again as the same time as others leading us to believe in rp targeted reports as we've suffered in the past). If it has something to do with linking a carrd then more people would be at risk to violations. How can they control people linking their carrds when 80% of roleplayers will have them in their search info? In the same vein people linking their discords and having adult themes in their channels would have been reprimanded as well. To me it still isn't concrete, but I understand what you're saying.

It's not just the wrongful suspension on these people that's having attention called for to it, but also the actions of the GM itself. There is little to no evidence given by the GM, no actual attempt to explain the violation or even link the behavior to a violation. Not to mention, for the two people mentioned in the OP's post, these weren't even given the chance to be spoken to. They were just suspended at 3AM/4AM. The GM handling this appears to be the same one that did similar abuses of power in the past and now, even after the devs gave the OK for mature RP spaces to exist, continues to do so.

Bringing in the game's rating means little when the game itself includes highly mature themes such as suicide, enslavement, rape, torture, murder, sex/child trafficking, child abuse and child endangerment. These are infinitely darker and far more damaging of scenarios than RP venues promoting sex-positive spaces. In fact, the inclusion of "18+"/"21+" warnings is more adherent to the rating of the game than not including them.

ERP or mature RP in itself is not wrong between consenting players. By having the warning in PFs for venues, it paints a clear picture of the maturity needed to consent to these RP. Calling it a profanity is inane. Ageism doesn't apply when complying to stated rules and laws.

The GM handing out these suspensions is abusing rank and power and, once again, needs to be taken down and take responsibility for the abuse. Considering this is the second string of like abuse, the GM in question really should not be allowed to decide in, mediate, or interact with the player base.

Avoid saying 18+. Look for ways around it, like "Leave the kids at home!" or "Old and crusty? Let's get funky" you get it right-look for a harmless way to say no minors. and even then I'll be honest, minors will still absolutely lie to your face and go in. Only do it if you're feeling quirky, otherwise don't bother with the 18+ thing lol. It won't filter anyone. Kids know when they're putting themselves in harms way, they just don't care. Not until the situation is bad enough and usually by then its because it's moved to discord and now they're sharing irl things. There's nothing anyone can do other than immediately once alone, ask them directly if they're over 18. If they say yes, great! If they say yes and it was a lie, tell everyone you know and get them ostracized from future events like that as they rightfully should be-no mental health isnt an excuse either, don't fall for the pity party ploy. Kid's don't belong there. Most who lie and ERP continue on just fine because they love ERPing, but if they're going to do that then it should really be with people their own age if it must be done at all. Now that I think about it, we really need to stop obsolving them of all guilt. 16 isnt stupid, it's naive. A 16 year old isnt too dumb to also first ask the age of who they're with. That's a two way street. So for any minors here clutching G'raha fanfic, you need to hold yourselves accountable and start asking ages too. and you need to be honest about yours and stay out of spaces that you know arent for you.

Anyway back to the main point. Wording is everything. Water it down as much as possible. Type your advertisement and then read it like 20 times. Ask yourself "Now if I were a dork who had nothing but free time to get offended and read into things way harder than one should, could I in any way shape or form find this sentence incriminating?"

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Originally Posted by MonikaFategleam

Luckily with the new All Saints Wake event, they can finally dress like they act.

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Isn't that a buzzword used by the same people who created those shame lists in certain raiding groups on Discord?

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Originally Posted by Batbrat

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Anyway back to the main point. Wording is everything. Water it down as much as possible. Type your advertisement and then read it like 20 times. Ask yourself "Now if I were a dork who had nothing but free time to get offended and read into things way harder than one should, could I in any way shape or form find this sentence incriminating?"

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To me this is counterintuitive. It would do more harm to have people stumble unwillingly to venues that have mature themes than to put our warnings outright. If the concern is for minors then shouldn't our warning with the forbidden phrase "18+" be more in line with the TOS to have consent when engaging with these types of activities?