Raider.io exists because of all the risk of running keys is on the leader. I don't fault players for it at all tbh. I also don't apply to +10s when I've only done +2s even if I have the ilvl for it and will do like a 5 then 8 then 10 to ease into it a bit. If it wasn't IO it would be ilvl or achievements or armory anyway. I hope blizz will change it at some point but they seem to really like doubling down on dumb decisions lately even if current mythic+ is a few steps up from the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
Ive never seen cactbot but I have heard it compared to WoW's deadly boss mods which means it doesn't do much if that is all it does. FF has huge arrows telling people what to do and they still mess up. Knowing about something doesn't make it free though. If anything I wish this game had real addon support but I do get it would kinda suck for the console players. At least FF has much better base UI control so things like hotbar and bag addons don't feel as needed. I refuse to play wow without at least dominos(hotbar addon) at this point though.
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11-30-2021, 11:27 AMMiles064
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11-30-2021, 12:31 PMVahlnirIt's not really the players' fault, I agree. It comes down to overall content design, though it is still 100% voluntary to stick around. Having put so much time, effort and money into the game I had a hard time really letting go. I get it. I'll probably return at some point, but it's no longer an addiction. It's more along the lines of "welp, I've got nothing better to do" when I need something different to play. With how competitive things are across the board and the punishment for failure being so high, it breeds resentment and toxicity for the players themselves and for the developers. Not quite League of Legends levels of bad, but it is still rather unpleasant. I've seen people compare leaving WoW for other games to leaving an abusive relationship. It's...not entirely inaccurate. FF XIV tends to be a breath of fresh air for a lot of people. But basically anything but WoW is after dealing with them for years. lolQuote:
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11-30-2021, 12:59 PMMiles064I guess I never really saw it. Most of the toxic stuff in wow is performance based so as long as you dont play like trash you dont run into much. FF's feels more toxic in that I seem to clash with players a lot more here over the most basic stuff though. "dps pls aoe", "rdm why are you spam hardcasting verthunder?" "drk pls use tbn", and such which I feel is way harder to deal with compared to racial slur spam(which i can ignore/report) or trolls(kick/report) or something and even then trolls and slur spammer seem to get dealt with pretty fast. I will say the worse I've had to deal with in WoW was way worse then anything I've dealt with in FF so far so maybe there is some truth to it. I've also played wow for much longer though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
Feel like the people in this game are too afraid to get their feelings maybe hurt which goes back to this game's "addon hate". Things like the addon that puts deathblows in chat and dmg meters are useful tools that can help performance for everyone. "what happened?" can be answered by just looking at details/recount/skadda and saying "oh I took a ton of dmg from this" or "these adds need to be interrupted and only 2 interrupts went out", "tank a is taking way more dmg then tank b", "all our healers together are doing well according to details but we just don't have the hps" and such . The more I read the forums and play this game, the more it seems like I'm the outlier here though. -
11-30-2021, 07:37 PMSaraide
Cheating is a massive arms race and even the most aggressive anti cheat software cant catch everything. That said there are some painfully obvious examples for which no anti cheat software is needed to see like the forever gathering bots. It's just not possible for a single human to farm multiple days with the same inputs with no pause ever. I personally dont trust SE to include an anti cheat software that doesnt negatively affect performance, therefore I dont think SE should introduce it. I also welcome the approach of not putting what is essentially spyware on computers, I wish more companies behaved like that.
In the grand scheme of things it doesnt matter that much. If you want to make gil, you can make it yourself. If you just want crafted gear you are kinda benefitting from market bots. Raiding is designed around not needing 3rd party tools so they will remain completeable without them and cactbot users have no significant advantage over someone just playing well. You are cheating prog but that also means that you have no ability to adjust and improvise if something goes not according to plan. For me others cheating on raids doesnt diminish the achievement of legit clearing those raids.
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11-30-2021, 07:52 PMLarirawielThe problem is, if you make the reporting of other people so easy then the players will use it. And the GMs could be flooded with very light-minded reports about literaly nothing.Quote:
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11-30-2021, 08:17 PMSetesh45I didn't say it destroyed wow, you did. Don't put your words into my mouth, my mouth is for other things.Quote:
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11-30-2021, 08:51 PMKageTokage
I agree that cheaters of all types, whether it be bots, hackers, or even "minor" cases of people using apps that provide them with information they wouldn't/shouldn't be privy to like the hunt radars are starting to really undermine several aspects of the game.
The hunt system has been turned a shell of what it used to be thanks to the aforementioned hunt radars and bot relays basically ensuring that if there's even one person using the app present in a zone when a S rank spawns, the entire data center's (And soon, the entire bloody game's) population of hunters will be converging on it within seconds, and it can actually make actively trying to spawn S ranks detrimental as if it spawns in a bad place, it's potentially going to get picked off before you can even find it.
The Firmament rankings were a complete joke and something I hope never happens again after seeing how many routine cheaters just from my server alone were in the top 12 over the course of the event. Only one of them seemed to have actually gotten purged after his DoL bot started malfunctioning and making it way too obvious to overlook.
There are herds of treasure map bots making rounds on basically every server now, JP included, and they seem to be the new fad for RMTers.
Even the duty roulette system is routinely cheated by people using add-ons to determine what their "random" duty is and skip out on it if it's too lengthy and/or difficult for their tastes.
You also can bet that once the 6.1 PvP updates arrive the mode is going to have a significant uptick in the number of bots.
This could be circumvented by just requiring a certain minimum number of reports from different people before a player is regarded as worth their attention, because a DoL bot who routinely shows up at timed nodes 24/7 is naturally going to accumulate more reports then a normal player who intermittently visits them.Quote:
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11-30-2021, 09:21 PMWolwoshIts funny too that the people that were using it were the guys with the biggest ego's and the 1st too complain too others they weren't learning fast enough :pQuote:
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11-30-2021, 09:29 PMAraxesFixed.Quote:
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11-30-2021, 10:02 PMSotarisWas waiting for someone to bring up wow bad argument.Quote:
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