Petition: Remove EX Trials from Mentor Roulette

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The core problem is that many "mentors" don't actually care about mentoring, and would rather have quick and easy content on their 'journey' to the mount. The less actual mentoring the better. The mount should NOT be a reward, nor should there be a crown, AT THE VERY LEAST. Really the mentor system should just be removed altogether, but I digress.

Getting an Extreme in the "mentor" roulette should be about helping players like any other prog run, a "mentor" may not necessarily get their clear towards their mount, but at least they were there to help aid players - which should be expected as Extremes are a part of the mentor roulette. It shouldn't be seen as a hindrance, but part of what they signed up for. Players have to check a box when becoming a mentor that states what being a mentor should be, if a player cannot be expected to do that, perhaps they shouldn't be or become a mentor.

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But the thing is a mentor's "job" relies so heavily on the people they get teamed up with. As a mentor, I don't see why I'd sign up for a carry, which (let's face it) is what most people signing up for extreme fights in DF expect. I sign up for helping/supporting people, which implies I won't be the one doing all the work in the instance. We all have to bring something to the table. For new people, this can either mean doing their research beforehand or having the minimum level required to get the hang of things after explanations and seeing things a few times. In DF, this is not the case in at least 75% of the ex trials runs.

I honestly believe the devs didn't foresee what including the extreme trials in mentor roulette would result in. The devs are from Japan. In Japan, people try their best not to inconvenience others. I'd suppose this means that the newbies queuing for ex trials would've at least done some research or will try really hard to not mess up way more than necessary. In this case, mentors helping them out wouldn't result in the poor mentors banging their heads on their desks. So to me, saying that the ex fights were included because it's part of a mentor's job to teach these fights is a bit of a flawed argument.

If a mentor queues for mentor roulette, they should expect that they will get extremes from time to time. If a mentor doesn't want that, they don't have to queue for it! A mentor can still "mentor" via the other roulettes in DF! The actual rewards for the mentor roulette clear itself aren't that great anyway, according to some.

How would "mentors" feel about the compromise of extremes being removed, but Astrope also being removed as a mentor reward? I'd think that working toward a substantial reward like that, sometimes requires having to help substantially.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

If a mentor queues for mentor roulette, they should expect that they will get extremes from time to time. If a mentor doesn't want that, they don't have to queue for it! A mentor can still "mentor" via the other roulettes in DF! The actual rewards for the mentor roulette clear itself aren't that great anyway, according to some.

How would "mentors" feel about the compromise of extremes being removed, but Astrope also being removed as a mentor reward? I'd think that working toward a substantial reward like that, sometimes requires having to help substantially.

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What's so substantial about the mount?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

If a mentor queues for mentor roulette, they should expect that they will get extremes from time to time. If a mentor doesn't want that, they don't have to queue for it! A mentor can still "mentor" via the other roulettes in DF! The actual rewards for the mentor roulette clear itself aren't that great anyway, according to some.

How would "mentors" feel about the compromise of extremes being removed, but Astrope also being removed as a mentor reward? I'd think that working toward a substantial reward like that, sometimes requires having to help substantially.

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If that's what it takes, remove it. This has never been about rewards.

Allow me to share my thoughts. I finished my long grind for the mount a few months ago. And from time to time, I still wanna do the Mentor Roulette to help others. However, before pressing join, a voice in the back of my mind tells me this: Do you really wanna find yourself stuck in an extreme trial and waste your time when you can spend that time helping more/other people in PF?

The answer is: Not really.

And thus I don't sign up for the roulette.

Sometimes I feel like queuing for Mentor Roulette, but I don't have the time to spend 1 hour in an ex trial (maybe it's almost time for dinner/lunch, etc.). Sometimes I do feel like helping with an extreme trial when I have the time and patience for it (though I'll admit those instances are rare, mainly due to my knowing how those fights usually go). Forcing mentors into those trials when they might not have the time or patience or if they're having a bad day or had a bad run just before getting tagged in the ex fight is only bound to backfire. Give people the choice. Besides, from what I noticed, other than the clueless newbies queuing for ARR and some HW ex trials, I don't recall ever getting other ex trials in the roulette (the SB ones). To me this indicates that after actually going through the ordeal in DF or being told about PF, people actually realize that ex trials aren't for DF.

You have to clear each extreme to even unlock mentor roulette. People aren't saying you don't have a right to drop out of a group that doesn't want to learn. That you shouldn't drop out the instant you can after you found out that you got something you don't want to do. Also just because some don't want a giant non mog shop two seater horned Pegasus doesn't mean other don't want it.

EX trials most likely won't be removed due to NA/EU having a different mind set/culture than the one that's found in the JP as we've gone and bread the mindset of individualism. Not sure when that started as it wasn't that way before the PF was put into the game. Though maybe it was there and not just noticed until enough people left for the raid servers. Course that is another dead horse to beat into paste some more for a different thread. I mean it's been a month, right?

Dunno, usually dont have much of an issue clearing on mentor roulette, healer can certainly save a run. Worst case it may take a few wipes but echo generally pushes enough to clear, just got to keep folks alive or heal lb3 if needed.

Echo usually helps, but it takes most of the timer to clear these in DF. Not a bad thing, but just not ideal and respectful of people's time. My problem with extreme's in mentor roulette is there are usually undergeared users in there which the echo can only help so much. However that is what being a mentor is, you have to help people no matter what. No matter the instance.

I don't agree that all ex trials should be removed, but fights like nidhogg ex shouldn't be in the rotation it's always a timer expire fight no matter how you explain it when you have to explain both the fight and 7 players how to do their lvl 60 rotation

fights like Garuda are very easy to explain and have no issue being on mentor
I also think trying to queue for ex trials should automatically just open PF and mentors that want the mount could join those PFs to clear for bonus points towards the mount if cleared synced

with my suggestion here people that focus on ex trials as a mentor will be more useful than a mentor that farms dungeons and get rewarded properly for clearing an ex trial instead of 1 point

but it's very difficult to make any kind of suggestion on this forum because the moment you make one sad people will come with their 2k+ post count and make useless hot takes without reading your thread and copy paste the same reply they do on every thread about the same topic

edit: just look at the post below mine

I think they should also add all savages. Everything that makes the life of these burgerking crown wearing players more difficult.

Or make it that way that mentor roulette groups mentors up with only other mentors. That way we could bring this awful scourge to an end.