Racial distribution, July 2021 (Luckybancho)

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm pleased to see that Hyur and Au Ra are doing so well where male characters are concerned. I think they're the best looking options available at the moment. I'm not at all surprised that Hrothgar are about as niche as Roegadyn. Hopefully we see more focus on additional customisation options for what we have already.

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Not sure if mentioned but majority of bots are male hyurs so probably inflated their numbers a bit. You know the ones with the weird names and end up in either racial gear in city’s or black mage gear out and about.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

It always struck me as odd that they used one of the least played body types for them. I was hoping for something closer to Byakko, particularly given that this would've been closer to the Ronso body type too.

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I think they went with roe body instead because it was easier to just downsize the roe body then blow up the highlander body. I do have my quals with the Hrothgar body proportions but I think they are mostly good with the only real issue being their hunched stance/animations. Doesn't make much sense since they clearly can stand straight as one of their idles has them leaning straight back and some job stances/idles have them standing straight.

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Originally Posted by Rhus

Not sure if mentioned but majority of bots are male hyurs so probably inflated their numbers a bit. You know the ones with the weird names and end up in either racial gear in city’s or black mage gear out and about.

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It's adjusted to exclude bots.

Folk play whatever they find the most aesthetically appealing.

The reason I lean toward Lala’s is because I enjoy characters that aren’t overly thin, traditionally beautiful nor ‘absolute body builder’ material.

Though I’d be willing to give other races a good shake if there was a weight slider or female hroth are just as interesting design- wise as their male counterparts.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

To be fair:
- Lucky Bancho doesn't post his reports monthly. He does it once per 3 months.
- We don't know how exactly he fetchs this data, so we can't say if he does it in a single day or not.
- It takes several days to form report itself (data was aquaired at July 13th, but report was posted at 18th), so by the moment report is public it's already a little bit outdated.

That said, I think there're no ways to get 100% correct data anyway - the only people who has it are SE themselves. Reporters like Lucky Bancho just provide us some general data that helps to understand the direction in which the game goes with some trends in content and other things. So yeah, it's an estimate with some errors to it (or innacurate bur reliable in a good faith, as you called it).

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Being outdated is not the problem.

He is most definitely using website scraping to get the information out of the Lodestone. That process is automated and the lodestone being absolutely horrible when it comes to loading pages, it is very frequent to end up with loading errors. Those errors are not a big deal... if he even cares to scrape those pages again (we don't know if he does). Then there's also the reliability of his crawlers. How frequently does the information that is being pulled from the lodestone is "saved" for the wrong character? Does he even bother to fix that? Does he do any kind of data validation? Cross-references with previous character history?

I do the very same thing he does with Free Companies and it takes a solid week to come up with a report that is 99.99%/100% accurate.

You are correct about trends, but your original post didn't contain such nuance.

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Originally Posted by Big_Bap

Being outdated is not the problem.

He is most definitely using website scraping to get the information out of the Lodestone. That process is automated and the lodestone being absolutely horrible when it comes to loading pages, it is very frequent to end up with loading errors. Those errors are not a big deal... if he even cares to scrape those pages again (we don't know if he does). Then there's also the reliability of his crawlers. How frequently does the information that is being pulled from the lodestone is "saved" for the wrong character? Does he even bother to fix that? Does he do any kind of data validation? Cross-references with previous character history?

I do the very same thing he does with Free Companies and it takes a solid week to come up with a report that is 99.99%/100% accurate.

You are correct about trends, but your original post didn't contain such nuance.

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Added a comment on that in main post, thanks.

Happy to see Hrothgar outdoing Roes in numbers.

Not surprised by Miqo'te numbers. It has been about the same for like 7+ years so IDK why people are shocked. That's what happens when one race looks like it had significantly more care put onto its animations and face choices than every other non-Lalafel race in the game.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

If this were the case they’d look like actual ronso which i’m sure would’ve been 10x more popular than what we got. I really don’t know why they didn’t just use them instead of trying their own weird spin on them that backfired.

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I don't agree on Ronso being comparable to Highlander at all. They're significantly taller and thicker than any other humanoid character in X already. And I actually don't mind their physical build. Being beefy fits beastly races very well IMO. And in a game where nearly every animal-like monster with limbs is jacked as hell I actually think hrothgar still looked too "clean" in muscle detail.
But I'll always roll my eyes at whoever decided that they should be hunched all the time and have these very out of place human-shaped feet. Not to mention the character hair restrictions and how grotesque two of the faces are.

I wouldn't agree. Both Sahagin and Ixal are quite slender. It's very much a case by case basis as to which beast tribe is beefy or not. It obviously fits large felines to be muscular, it's more the degree of it. I'd have rather seen them at a similar level to Highlanders and Au Ra, personally.

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Originally Posted by Big_Bap

Being outdated is not the problem.

He is most definitely using website scraping to get the information out of the Lodestone. That process is automated and the lodestone being absolutely horrible when it comes to loading pages, it is very frequent to end up with loading errors. Those errors are not a big deal... if he even cares to scrape those pages again (we don't know if he does). Then there's also the reliability of his crawlers. How frequently does the information that is being pulled from the lodestone is "saved" for the wrong character? Does he even bother to fix that? Does he do any kind of data validation? Cross-references with previous character history?

I do the very same thing he does with Free Companies and it takes a solid week to come up with a report that is 99.99%/100% accurate.

You are correct about trends, but your original post didn't contain such nuance.

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Your best bet is to get in touch with the person and ask/relay your concerns. For the time being, it is about the most accurate data we will get, and certainly more reliable than the figures SE routinely brings up as to its player headcount. Though if you know of a more accurate source I am all ears... or horns.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

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My argument was moreso for them to use the highlander mode and then upscale it to fit the X ronso’s. It would at least look a hell of a lot better than the weird body proportional hunchback current hrothgars have.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I wouldn't agree. Both Sahagin and Ixal are quite slender. It's very much a case by case basis as to which beast tribe is beefy or not. It obviously fits large felines to be muscular, it's more the degree of it. I'd have rather seen them at a similar level to Highlanders and Au Ra, personally.

Your best bet is to get in touch with the person and ask. For the time being, it is about the most accurate data we will get, and certainly more reliable than the figures SE routinely brings up as to its player headcount.

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I'm not dying to know, I simply find it curious to see people so blatantly using those numbers without a second thought, when very little is known about the methodology. They certainly look better than the ones simbiat (or whatever his name is) releases, but he uses the xivapi and its reliability is abysmal.