When will fans turn on Yoshi P?

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Originally Posted by t0rn

It’s possible that they won’t get an expansion right. If that happens, the fans will turn on the face of Final Fantasy IV, Yoshi. It happened with WoW, will it happen with FFXIV? There will be more years of the game, yes, but will he still be in touch with what the players want?

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Wow had several different game directors before things got bad for them. Cata caused a lot of people to leave the WoW. But the game still retained a lot of good will. The past three years have been the worst for reception and that's because of the state of all Blizzard products and several controversies.

I find it pretty hard to listen to the community. If half of them demands something, the other half may gets disappointed.

Speaking of WoW, some things, which ruined WoW, actually came from the community itself. I believe thats why Blizzard just stopped to listen to its community or giving up in total. The magic is gone and with it, the motivation to make a better game.

I cant imagine how hard the job of Yoshi-P must be. And he did a good job for the most part. Lets see what will happen with Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by t0rn

It’s possible that they won’t get an expansion right. If that happens, the fans will turn on the face of Final Fantasy IV, Yoshi. It happened with WoW, will it happen with FFXIV? There will be more years of the game, yes, but will he still be in touch with what the players want?

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Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

I find it pretty hard to listen to the community. If half of them demands something, the other half may gets disappointed.

Speaking of WoW, some things, which ruined WoW, actually came from the community itself. I believe thats why Blizzard just stopped to listen to its community or giving up in total. The magic is gone and with it, the motivation to make a better game.

I cant imagine how hard the job of Yoshi-P must be. And he did a good job for the most part. Lets see what will happen with Endwalker.

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I don't think the community asked for endless systems that are removed or replaced each patch. Nor pathfinder. That was Blizzard's idea for WoD. No one asked for classes to be gutted for these systems. No one asked for smaller maps, endless bugs that keep piling up. People warned about the problems with the latest expacs in Alpha, Beta and PTR. They didn't listen.

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Originally Posted by Soulebreaker

I don't think the community asked for endless systems that are removed or replaced each patch. Nor pathfinder. That was Blizzard's idea for WoD. No one asked for classes to be gutted for these systems. No one asked for smaller maps, endless bugs that keep piling up. People warned about the problems with the latest expacs in Alpha, Beta and PTR. They didn't listen.

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Yeah, the community as a whole asked for a lot of QoL stuff. I don't recall ever seeing anyone ask for what the game is riddled with now, at least not to any significant degree. When the dev team said that they were making the game that THEY wanted to play and wanted others to join (sub) I don't think they were lying. It is quite clear that they are catering solely to themselves and like minded players. That and they were supposedly working with an increasingly more limited budget thanks to Activision made for a perfect storm of sorts.

I remember reading some time ago about the day leading up to the ceremony where YoshiP introduced himself to the FFXIV 1.0 team and spoke about when he was on a train he encountered a current player of 1.0, and the player thanked him for what he was doing for the game, and hugged YoshiP. (I think I recall him saying they hugged) but I do remember that this made YoshiP tear up during the ceremony.

So I guess my question is; why would players turn on YoshiP?

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Player already call players bad, ACT or not in-game doesn't change that.

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And they get penalized for harassment when they do. Without ACT, 90% of the players have no way of knowing how good or bad everyone else in the group is. They may notice repeated deaths or mechanic failures, but that's about it. Incorporating ACT into the game would ramp up the toxicity level really quickly. You don't need to convince me one way or the other, though. YoshiP's opinion on the matter is the only one that matters, and he's made it pretty clear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

Here's his position on people using it:

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So if someone asks you (to use it), please say, "Yoshi P says no, so it's better if you don't."

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Here's his reasoning for not integrating it into the game:

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We've always said we will not do that...
That system will be the root of bullying. I'm 100% confident in that. I'm aware that there will be people using it to calculate personal numbers, but I know you'll see this in party finders, "Only join if you can prove you can DPS xxx amount." We never want that to happen...
Sometimes you go into a dungeon after taking a break from the game. You item level might not be as high as others' that have been playing. It just becomes like that. It's inevitable that people start to crave efficiency. I personally don't enjoy games that are based purely off efficiency.

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Then he reiterates his warning about misusing the tool.

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So as we mentioned, we don't condone third party tools. Let's say that someone is using such a tool for personal purposes at their own risk, but they posted someone else's numbers online, maybe out of frustration. This is punishable for harassment irrespective of the whole third party tool argument. "This person's DPS was low, so I had a hard time." That's a penalty for harassment.

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This is a huge difference in philosophy from the WoW dev team, which actively condones and supports such metrics. The whole M+ dungeon system, which is currently the primary form of end game gearing, is built completely around them. They've supported it further with an in-game rating system that tags every player with an efficiency rating so that you can exclude them at will. SE promotes good will and cooperation, so their players respond in kind. Blizzard promotes contention and exclusivity, so of course its playerbase will respond contentiously. Both companies are reaping what they're sowing.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

I understand that the forum is the worse part of the community

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Oh, you sweet innocent summer child.

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Originally Posted by Soulebreaker

I don't think the community asked for endless systems that are removed or replaced each patch. Nor pathfinder. That was Blizzard's idea for WoD. No one asked for classes to be gutted for these systems. No one asked for smaller maps, endless bugs that keep piling up. People warned about the problems with the latest expacs in Alpha, Beta and PTR. They didn't listen.

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No, they didnt ask for that. But at some point, the Devs just gave up for some reason. They dont want to listen to their comm anymore. Maybe because of frustration or lazyness.
Listen to the community is good. But listen too much is not. If you re a game designer, its YOUR game. You need feedback from your fans, of course. But should never forgot your roots ; )

If it didn't happen for Shadowbringers (content-wise, not story-wise) then it won't happen in the near future lmao