Mentors and Novice Network

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Last hour has been mentor whining about being forced to do hildibrans quest,
mentors talking about overwatch, mentors talking about glamour. Two questions/comments from novices have been ignored.

At least they aren’t complaining about a sprout scholar not using exog like they were earlier I guess.

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Yeah, you are just ignoring all the sprouts. Its ok.
Just in case you don´t know. You can leave the NN.

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Originally Posted by Laphael

Just in case you don´t know. You can leave the NN.

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But don’t you see? This proves my point. I say the system is broken and it’s not a nice or helpful chat and only serves the egos of the people in there.

The answer you give me? Leave.

Leave doesn’t fix the problem, it just lets you stay in an echo chamber where you all tell yourselves how kind and helpful you are, while the people that need help leave because you really are not so.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

But don’t you see? This proves my point. I say the system is broken and it’s not a nice or helpful chat and only serves the egos of the people in there.

The answer you give me? Leave.

Leave doesn’t fix the problem, it just lets you stay in an echo chamber where you all tell yourselves how kind and helpful you are, while the people that need help leave because you really are not so.

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You had a bad experience with spoiler, thats bad. I told you to report the person.

But NN is a world chat and if that bothers you so much, you CAN leave.

Sprouts do get help there all the time. The System is not broken just because you say it, thats the point.

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Originally Posted by Laphael

You had a bad experience with spoiler, thats bad. I told you to report the person.

But NN is a world chat and if that bothers you so much, you CAN leave.

Sprouts do get help there all the time. The System is not broken just because you say it, thats the point.

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NN is not a world chat. It’s a small network for helping new players to the game. If it was a world chat it wouldn’t be so limited.

And I’m not the only one who thinks it’s a bad system. Sorry you disagree but my point is not invalid because you personally like the chat.

You do know that argument is just as meaningless as your claim that their point is invalid because you personally don't like the chat.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

You do know that argument is just as meaningless as your claim that their point is invalid because you personally don't like the chat.

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But it’s not though. I’ve pointed out that the chat is full of spam. That they kick people who disrupt their cliquey chat but won’t kick their friends who spoil the game for others. These are facts. NN today has literally been mentors talking about bad players and ‘casuals’ for the most part. Not the best welcome to the game. These are facts.

He just likes the chat and says I can leave if I don’t like it. That doesn’t fix any of the problems above. Sure I can leave but it’s still a terrible system for helping new players.

One thing I will say is - don't claim all NN's are bad/terrible just because you've had a bad experience on 1 server's NN. Yes there are some server's who are known for having terrible NN's, but there also server's who are known for having a generally good/decent NN.

Adamantoise's NN is generally fairly decent. People ask questions and get helpful/useful answer's virtually all the time. Yes it is used as a chat channel for ppl on it, yet when I've been on I've nearly always seen them stop chatting once a question is asked... they answer it, then go back to chatting when nothing else asked. Is it perfect? Nope.

Unfortunately there are a few bad apples who seem determined to troll and spoil the game for new players who join the NN - such as doing what was done to the OP by spoiling what happens in Shadowbringers. Or they get argumentative and rude about the help offered by other mentor's, or the reason's other mentor's are there. These ppl do get kicked from the NN when they start doing this nonsense... but sadly they can just keep coming back after the 3-hour timeout expires.

But is the few bad apples really a reason to ditch the whole system? *shrugs* IMO nope, but to fix things SE would need to actually spend some time dealing with reports of shitty NN behaviour and taking action... and ensuring known trolls/pest's are unable to re-join the NN on any character on their account. Will this ever happen? Doubtful.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

But it’s not though. I’ve pointed out that the chat is full of spam. That they kick people who disrupt their cliquey chat but won’t kick their friends who spoil the game for others. These are facts. NN today has literally been mentors talking about bad players and ‘casuals’ for the most part. Not the best welcome to the game. These are facts.

He just likes the chat and says I can leave if I don’t like it. That doesn’t fix any of the problems above. Sure I can leave but it’s still a terrible system for helping new players.

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You're saying that it needs to be fixed. It doesn't just because you think it does. Your personal anecdote and belief that the chat should not be used outside of answering direct questions is invalid.

I've been in the Balmung NN for a bit now and my experiences line up more with Kamatsu and Mhaeric than with OP. There is a lot of social chatting, but when sprouts, returners, or even other mentors ask questions or for help, they get it. I've seen people join dungeon runs, help someone craft something, go to a location and post a <pos> in the chat to help out the sprouts, and much more.

There has been some disruptive players, but most of them were actually sprouts. We kicked one multiple times for cussing in chat and calling other players idiots. I ended up just blacklisting that player.

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Originally Posted by Laphael

But NN is a world chat and if that bothers you so much, you CAN leave.

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NN is not a world chat. It has a purpose and context. Don’t misuse it.